Jill Stein's Power to the People Plan

Awesome, a socialist libertarian. Can't say I've heard of too many of those.

You do understand that as a Left-Libertarian I don't agree with everything you beleive right?
I have told this 20 times at least by now.
Why is this so difficult for you to understand?
 
Incorrect.
If you read the dictionary definition you would know that you used the word soveriegn incorrectly.
Idiot.
I think you are referring to the sovereign citizen's movement -which is correctly debunked.

" individual sovereignty (or individual autonomy) is the concept of property in one's own person, expressed as the moral or natural right of a person to have bodily integrity, and be the exclusive controller of his own body and life."
^ is how I used it.

Specifically I used it in the context of the Xth.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
 
Like hell I am. Supply side economics is just as lala land as this gals obligatory paradise nonsense. Not one single prediction supply siders have ever made has been borne out by the facts. It's essentially reverse socialism and is a major reason, along side southern conservative populism, why I'm no longer a Republican.

Conservative populism is an oxymoron.
 
Google left-libertarian wise guy.

Left-libertarian means leftist personal values, such as abortion, no-fault divorce, etc. It doesn't mean socialism, which is anathema to all libertarian schools. I would have thrown in drugs, but I think right-libertarians are pretty much universally pro-legalization, as well.

Regardless of left/right, government overreach on such matters as imminent domain, search & seizure, abuse of warrants, etc., are universal.
 
You do understand that as a Left-Libertarian I don't agree with everything you beleive right?
I have told this 20 times at least by now.
Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

I'm well aware of that Rune. I'm not comparing you and me. I'm talking about your Jill Stein support here.
 
I think you are referring to the sovereign citizen's movement -which is correctly debunked.

" individual sovereignty (or individual autonomy) is the concept of property in one's own person, expressed as the moral or natural right of a person to have bodily integrity, and be the exclusive controller of his own body and life."
^ is how I used it.

Specifically I used it in the context of the Xth.

Cool.
So you area Natural Living Man.

No I am not referring to movement.
I specificly mentioned the dictionary twice. WTF?

Individual sovereignty is a perfect oxymoron!

Sovereign specificly means King or individual in charge of all other indivuals.

When one misuses words one destroys the language.
Meanings are uncertain, clear communication is impossible.
 
Cool.
So you area Natural Living Man.

No I am not referring to movement.
I specificly mentioned the dictionary twice. WTF?

Individual sovereignty is a perfect oxymoron!

Sovereign specificly means King or individual in charge of all other indivuals.

When one misuses words one destroys the language.
Meanings are uncertain, clear communication is impossible.
connect the dots..if generalized sovereignty is :
supreme power or authority
what is 'individual sovereignty' but supreme power or authority over oneself?
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Take that in regards to the Xth ( where this discussion is relevant)
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
the people are sovereign just like the states and the feds. In fact one of federalisms definition IS co-sovereignty!

http://www.conservapedia.com/Federalism
Federalism is the system of co-sovereignty current in the United States, and various other nations[1] such that a national or
federal government shares power along with state governments over the same territory and citizenry
 
Left-libertarian means leftist personal values, such as abortion, no-fault divorce, etc. It doesn't mean socialism, which is anathema to all libertarian schools. I would have thrown in drugs, but I think right-libertarians are pretty much universally pro-legalization, as well.

Regardless of left/right, government overreach on such matters as imminent domain, search & seizure, abuse of warrants, etc., are universal.

Nice off the cuff try I guess but no. Suggest you actually google left libertarianism. FYI I am as oft stated anti-abortion. As a libertarian I think they should be legal though.
Left libertarians are even more oposed to government overreach, bordering upon but not advocating anarchy.
 
connect the dots..if generalized sovereignty is :
what is 'individual sovereignty' but supreme power or authority over oneself?
++
Take that in regards to the Xth ( where this discussion is relevant)
the people are sovereign just like the states and the feds. In fact one of federalisms definition IS co-sovereignty!

http://www.conservapedia.com/Federalism
Federalism is the system of co-sovereignty current in the United States, and various other nations[1] such that a national or
federal government shares power along with state governments over the same territory and citizenry

Yes the people, as an aggregate, are Sovereign over the .Government.
Sovereignty over one's self is a natural right, not even needed to be enumerated.

Again your use of the proper term would save endless miscommunication.
 
Yes the people, as an aggregate, are Sovereign over the .Government.
Sovereignty over one's self is a natural right, not even needed to be enumerated.

Again your use of the proper term would save endless miscommunication.
yet co-sovereignty is enumerated in the Xth..bonus points ! ..do you know why that is? for the very same reason you describe.
The people hold ultimate authority -yes, but in the legal framework of Constitutional law, they are simply co-sovereign

http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/about/about-the-tenth-amendment/
Adoption of the Constitution of 1787 was opposed by a number of well-known patriots including Patrick Henry, Samuel Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and others. They passionately argued that the Constitution would eventually lead to a strong, centralized state power which would destroy the individual liberty of the People.
Many in this movement were given the poorly-named tag “Anti-Federalists.”

The Tenth Amendment was added to the Constitution of 1787 largely because of the intellectual influence and personal persistence of the Anti-Federalists and their allies.

It’s quite clear that the Tenth Amendment was written to emphasize the limited nature of the powers delegated to the federal government.
In delegating just specific powers to the federal government, the states and the people, with some small exceptions,
were free to continue exercising their sovereign powers.
 
http://junglesvibes1.net/tracks/bob_seger_feel_like_a_number.html
^free play Feel like a Number ~ Bob Seger

To workers I'm just another drone
To Ma Bell I'm just another phone
I'm just another statistic on a sheet
To teachers I'm just another child
To IRS I'm just another file
I'm just another consensus on the street
Gonna cruise out of this city
Head down to the sea
Gonna shout out at the ocean

Hey it's me
And I feel like a number
Feel like a number
Feel like a stranger
A stranger in this land
I feel like a number
I'm not a number
I'm not a number
Dammit I'm a man
I said I'm a man

 
Nice off the cuff try I guess but no. Suggest you actually google left libertarianism. FYI I am as oft stated anti-abortion. As a libertarian I think they should be legal though.
Left libertarians are even more oposed to government overreach, bordering upon but not advocating anarchy.

Right, so, the appropriate term is not socialism. Cawacko and I are are both familiar with left-libertarians from our years on these forums. Stringy has always been one, even though he has become more leftist and less libertarian.
 
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