Jerry Brown endorses popular vote bill for California

[PostmodernProphet]

I think we should save California the hassle and just not tell them when the elections are........

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

again, another Dem idea that was not very well thought out. Tell us... what states do you think will sign on for it? You think it will be the small population states that trend Rep or the large ones like CA, NY that go Dem every time?

There is a reason we have the electoral college.

There are reasons we have the electoral college, very poor reasons.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

i never said we used the popular vote.

1888 - Harrison vs Cleveland

THE CRITICS CHARGE: In this election, critics believe they have their best case against the Electoral College. Grover Cleveland won the popular vote while Benjamin Harrison won the electoral vote. Since no major issues of fraud, voter irregularities, or Congressional meddling is alleged, this is a straight up case of the system being wrong.
BACKGROUND: The main issue, if not the only issue, in the campaign was the tariff, brought to the forefront by the incumbent president Cleveland. He proposed lowering it, widely favored in the South; Harrison wanted to keep higher tariffs, widely favored in the North. One of the most civil and boring elections in history was also one of the closest. Cleveland had only a 0.8% lead over Harrison in the popular vote.
WHY THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE SHOULDN'T BE BLAMED: While this may be the critics best example to show the Electoral College is flawed, supporters would say this election shows why the system works. The Electoral College system encourages candidates to make their appeal as broad as possible in order to win. Cleveland basically ran a campaign based on one issue supported by a single region of the country and ran up the vote in that region, thereby padding his popular vote. In the six southern states of Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Texas, Cleveland received over 65% of the vote. In those six states Cleveland beat Harrison by 425,532 votes. In the other 32 states combined, Harrison beat Cleveland by 334,936 votes.
CONCLUSION: To say the Electoral College failed in 1888 is to not understand how the system works. The Electoral College prevents one region of the country voting as a block from unduly directing the outcome of the election to the rest of the country. The real reason Cleveland won the popular vote (by only 90,536 out of 11,379,131votes cast) but lost the election was because of unusually high support in a single region of the country.

http://www.presidentelect.org/art_evpvdisagree.html

Why should the votes of certain people not count just because they happen to come from a region in which many other people voted similarly? If the north can't get it together, the north deserves to lose.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

those states are not narrow. using the popular vote will narrow their focus and allow them to ignore much of the country.

Under a popular vote system, you would be allowed to ignore much less of the country than under the current system. Unless by "country", you mean trees, acorns, and square miles, rather than the people who make it up.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

the electoral college is important. it forces candidates to appeal to a broader base instead of just focusing on population rich areas or ideas.

It forces candidates to appeal to swing states instead of the American people as a whole.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Under a popular vote system, you would be allowed to ignore much less of the country than under the current system. Unless by "country", you mean trees, acorns, and square miles, rather than the people who make it up.

no you wouldn't and you obviously ignored the link i cited and quoted

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

It forces candidates to appeal to swing states instead of the American people as a whole.

no, it does the opposite...using the popular vote candidates can ignore much of the midwest, whereas now they can't

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

no, it does the opposite...using the popular vote candidates can ignore much of the midwest, whereas now they can't

The midwest is going to go Republican. Ergo, both Republicans and Democrats can ignore it with abandon. Populated as well as unpopulated areas. Really, the current system makes candidates appeal to populated areas of swing states and ignore everything else. It vastly magnifies the amount of the country a candidate can ignore.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Midwest is evenly split, with Illinois solidly Dem and Indiana solidly GOP. Ohio trends GOP, while Minnasota and Iowa trend Dem, and no one gives a fuck about Wisconsin except lite beer drinkers and Packers fans...