Ivanka Trump tweet on Paid Family Leave

cawacko said:
I'm just copying this from Twitter:


Providing a "paid-leave program isn't an entitlement, it's an investment in America's working families"


Ivanka the Democrat strikes again.
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Not sure why one would have to be a "Democrat" to think this is a good idea. Every civilized country on the planet has paid family leave, except for the U.S. So I really don't think this is something only "Democrats" think is good policy.

Also, not clear to me why American rightwingers want our country to be on a par with a Somalia or Bangladesh regarding these eminently sensible social standards.

Among 41 nations, U.S. is the outlier when it comes to paid parental leave

the U.S. is the only country among 41 nations that does not mandate any paid leave for new parents, according to data compiled by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD).

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/09/26/u-s-lacks-mandated-paid-parental-leave/
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cawacko said:
Let businesses offer it. We know once in place gov't programs grow and it doesn't take a visionary to see a program like this balloon to include even more people at much higher costs.
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Who else does Ivanka believe should fund it?
 
Pappy Jones said:
It's an entitlement, having a child is a choice. Oh, weren't using birth control (that's a choice too) or birth control failed? There a choice there too. I am pro choice, but not on the tax-payers dime. If you are not financially stable enough take a few months off, you shouldn't be having a child.

Some of you think I am a way over on the republican or conservative side, I have never claimed to be other than largely conservation on most issue.
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I see. So the S.C says that employers are free to deny birth control to those who aren't worthy.

Now they are to be denied paid maternity leave as well?

What do employers expect.....abstinence only?

'Lil Palin' showed us how well that works.
 
leaningright said:
Serious question: What is sufficient family leave time in the event of a birth?
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It depends on who you are asking. If you ask a new mother, she will probably tell you a year or more. Unless she has a few young ones at home and work is more relaxing than taking care of the kids. :)

I happen to agree that it is an investment and not an entitlement. A supportive employer, who understands that kids don't adhere to specific schedules, will accommodate the parent, who in turn should work harder and be more loyal. Young parents should not have to worry about losing their job because they want to have a family. This is not just about a few months off work but more about investing in future generations. Affording kids a loving and stable environment and the bonding that is so vital for newborn and parents, should be in everyone's interest.
 
Cypress said:
Not sure why one would have to be a "Democrat" to think this is a good idea. Every civilized country on the planet has paid family leave, except for the U.S. So I really don't think this is something only "Democrats" think is good policy.

Also, not clear to me why American rightwingers want our country to be on a par with a Somalia or Bangladesh regarding these eminently sensible social standards.
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Ivanka has been a long time democrat. It's who she is. If businesses want to recruit the best employees offer it as a perk. But saying the gov't shouldn't mandate businesses pay it is not saying we want to be like Somalia.

The next time Somalia is the world's economic leader that would be a good analogy but otherwise it's just a straw man used to represent an extreme position.
 
Lovebug said:
It depends on who you are asking. If you ask a new mother, she will probably tell you a year or more. Unless she has a few young ones at home and work is more relaxing than taking care of the kids. :)

I happen to agree that it is an investment and not an entitlement. A supportive employer, who understands that kids don't adhere to specific schedules, will accommodate the parent, who in turn should work harder and be more loyal. Young parents should not have to worry about losing their job because they want to have a family. This is not just about a few months off work but more about investing in future generations. Affording kids a loving and stable environment and the bonding that is so vital for newborn and parents, should be in everyone's interest.
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I think most people won't disagree with you. The issue is is this something businesses should offer as a perk or something that's mandated by the gov't
 
cawacko said:
I think most people won't disagree with you. The issue is is this something businesses should offer as a perk or something that's mandated by the gov't
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Mandate or guidelines? We like the 40 hrs work week and safety standards are very beneficial. I am sure that we can work something out and we can overcome the hick ups associated with new programs.
 
cawacko said:
Let businesses offer it. We know once in place gov't programs grow and it doesn't take a visionary to see a program like this balloon to include even more people at much higher costs.
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Was Ivanka suggesting that the government pay for it? That would be... odd.
 
I am in favor of some paid family leave offered by business and governtment agencies and even in favor of the government subsidizing some businesses (Meeting certain criteria) who offer it, but it must be watched closely. To cawacko's point, loosely worded, government programs can and often do balloon to unsustainable levels once started.

To me this is ridiculous:
Up to 50 weeks of leave - 37 weeks of which is paid - can be shared by parents if they meet certain eligibility criteria.
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Also,
Traditionally, it has only been an option for a mother to take paid time off work to look after a newborn.
Now, most couples who are in paid work and bringing up a child together can share leave following the birth or adoption of their child.
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Up to 50 weeks...nearly a year? And then in the case of adoption as well? Not cool, IMO. Ripe for exploitation. My wife got three weeks when our child was born. Had few complications so she went back to work after two. From what we have learned ours seems to be a pretty normal situation. My point is that in most cases nothing near a year (up to 50 weeks) should be needed. These "programs" have a tendency to grow out of control.

Edit: Oops, forgot the link to the quotes...http://www.bbc.com/news/business-32130481

Read the whole thing. It is enlightening.
 
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leaningright said:
I am in favor of some paid family leave offered by business and governtment agencies and even in favor of the government subsidizing some businesses (Meeting certain criteria) who offer it, but it must be watched closely. To cawacko's point, loosely worded, government programs can and often do balloon to unsustainable levels once started.

To me this is ridiculous:


Also,


Up to 50 weeks...nearly a year? And then in the case of adoption as well? Not cool, IMO. Ripe for exploitation. My wife got three weeks when our child was born. Had few complications so she went back to work after two. From what we have learned ours seems to be a pretty normal situation. My point is that in most cases nothing near a year (up to 50 weeks) should be needed. These "programs" have a tendency to grow out of control.
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You hit the nail on the head. You can already "hear" future politicians promising to expand the program to come across as compassionate to try and win votes. From there it's off to the races
 
leaningright said:
I am in favor of some paid family leave offered by business and governtment agencies and even in favor of the government subsidizing some businesses (Meeting certain criteria) who offer it, but it must be watched closely. To cawacko's point, loosely worded, government programs can and often do balloon to unsustainable levels once started.

To me this is ridiculous:


Also,


Up to 50 weeks...nearly a year? And then in the case of adoption as well? Not cool, IMO. Ripe for exploitation. My wife got three weeks when our child was born. Had few complications so she went back to work after two. From what we have learned ours seems to be a pretty normal situation. My point is that in most cases nothing near a year (up to 50 weeks) should be needed. These "programs" have a tendency to grow out of control.

Edit: Oops, forgot the link to the quotes...http://www.bbc.com/news/business-32130481

Read the whole thing. It is enlightening.
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The first year is a very important year in a child's life and a time for bonding with parents.

I personally wanted that time with my child instead of letting another have the privilege.

Two weeks would have have been far too soon for me, I cried when I had to go back to work after three mos., this was with my first and quit to work from home with the arrival of my second.
 
Covfefe said:
The first year is a very important year in a child's life and a time for bonding with parents.

I personally wanted that time with my child instead of letting another have the privilege.

Two weeks would have have been far too soon for me, I cried when I had to go back to work after three mos., this was with my first and quit to work from home with the arrival of my second.
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I completely understand this perspective. This is where, again only my opinion, individual decisions have to be made. Do we, as a family decide to be a one income family which requires changes in lifestyle, possibly scaling back our expenditures, or do we continue as we have been and both continue to work, sacrificing that extra time with our children? You hear me talk much of my mother, perhaps because of my parents' decision to do the former. That doesn't lessen the bond I have with my dad, but that was developed later in life.

But I don't think the business where I work or the people of this country (through excessive taxation) should be burdened with my decision.

The ideal is that one parent (preferably the mom) not have to work but with the lifestyles we are accustomed to today in many cases that is not an option for many people. It is a tough call to make.
 
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