It's possible that only a 3rd party can save the republic

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BartenderElite

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I'm a Yang guy. For some reason, smart, practical & common sense candidates rarely break through in the primaries, but he was one of the best candidates in 2020, imo.

He made a great point yesterday. He said to imagine a major sports league where there are only 2 teams. In sports, things get as crazy passionate as they get in politics, and you start to hate the other side and completely demonize them as time goes on. And that is exactly what has happened in politics. They showed a poll while he was talking that had over 80% of both Dems and Republicans saying that they think the other side will destroy the country. Republicans now see Democrats as the enemy, and as a threat - and Dems feel the same about Republicans.

That isn't sustainable.

And we have both parties now catering to their fringe elements. Leaving the sane majority who reside more in the middle left out.

I will strongly support the centrist party that Yang and his group are trying to get off the ground for 2024. We need to get away from the 2-party system.
 
BartenderElite said:
I'm a Yang guy. For some reason, smart, practical & common sense candidates rarely break through in the primaries, but he was one of the best candidates in 2020, imo.

He made a great point yesterday. He said to imagine a major sports league where there are only 2 teams. In sports, things get as crazy passionate as they get in politics, and you start to hate the other side and completely demonize them as time goes on. And that is exactly what has happened in politics. They showed a poll while he was talking that had over 80% of both Dems and Republicans saying that they think the other side will destroy the country. Republicans now see Democrats as the enemy, and as a threat - and Dems feel the same about Republicans.

That isn't sustainable.

And we have both parties now catering to their fringe elements. Leaving the sane majority who reside more in the middle left out.

I will strongly support the centrist party that Yang and his group are trying to get off the ground for 2024. We need to get away from the 2-party system.
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If Democrats are too left wing for you, you probably should keep voting for Republicans.
 
BartenderElite said:
I'm a Yang guy. For some reason, smart, practical & common sense candidates rarely break through in the primaries, but he was one of the best candidates in 2020, imo.

He made a great point yesterday. He said to imagine a major sports league where there are only 2 teams. In sports, things get as crazy passionate as they get in politics, and you start to hate the other side and completely demonize them as time goes on. And that is exactly what has happened in politics. They showed a poll while he was talking that had over 80% of both Dems and Republicans saying that they think the other side will destroy the country. Republicans now see Democrats as the enemy, and as a threat - and Dems feel the same about Republicans.

That isn't sustainable.

And we have both parties now catering to their fringe elements. Leaving the sane majority who reside more in the middle left out.

I will strongly support the centrist party that Yang and his group are trying to get off the ground for 2024. We need to get away from the 2-party system.
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First, you have to get the Republicans to understand the rules of math!

You can have a majority less than 50%.

Why not have 50 different parties?

You could have 50 different parties all running against each other and still have a majority win from any single one of them in the race.

Do the math!

No two people share the very same ideologies 100%.

Democracy is based on a Majority rule, and you can't have a Democracy without a majority rule! And you'll never have a Democracy or fairness while rigging elections by stacking the deck with unfair advantages such as the Winner Take All delegate system employed by the States, or the Gerrymandering of districts, or the voting suppression laws of REDNECK states.

But Republicans do not even believe in Democracy anymore as minorities now outnumber the WHITE NATIONALISTS- and so Good Luck!

For Republicans- THIS IS THEIR Greatest fear-

We all shape our ideologies with not one sliding switch all the way up or down- like we are forced into voting for now! It comes down to only two choices for us to have to decide! And that only divided the nation in half with both parties now infighting!

Our ideologies are formed by a bank of sliding switches in our brains that makes us all UNIQUE!

No two people are going to just end up with the same settings- or ideologies.

And every day a new one pops up! For example: We now have the bastardization of the GOP party with the onset of the fake news and conspiracy theory party of lies and insanity that is hell bent to replace itself with.

For me, it has come down to one very valuable sliding switch- Which party is trying to destroy democracy- and which party is trying to save democracy.

I'm gonna put all my other sliding switches aside and choose the party that is trying to protect Democracy first and foremost in this election- because I believe this may be the last democratic election we will ever have- and it may already be too late for that!! I am voting as if there is no tomorrow!

Without Democracy- WE'RE FUCKED!

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the main reason 3rd parties dont work is the cost of getting in the game.

Perot did as well as he did because he had his own money. He might have done even better if he hadn't thrown a hissy mid campaign. Trump had the $ to do it as well but realized that it was just smarter to give the GOP no choice but to back him.

Now a Bezos or Musk could give it a go if they had any interest in it but they dont seem to have any such inclinations. I know Yang is rich but dont know if he's rich enough.

But in concept the mushy middle is big enough to be a base. Hard to assemble a platform that resonates with them though.
 
Polls have shown people are open to third parties (at least in theory). A (not in a good way) credit to both the Republicans and Democrats who do everything they can to keep third party people off ballots/debates etc. as well as pushing the narrative that voting third party is throwing away your vote.

Not likely this Yang led group will gain much traction but would not be against seeing it happen.
 
Third parties aren't happening in the US, those that did were never totally successful, perhaps locally, but not on a Federal level.

Lot of reasons, money and the election bureaucracy being major factors, but as history as shown us, any idea or policy that can spark an accomplishing third party is soon coopted and stolen by one of the major political parties

My recommendation would be to scrap the Presidential and initiate Parliamentary government. The US is too vast, and with so many special interests, that Parliamentary would force compromise and prevent the domination of a minority entity.
 
cawacko said:
Polls have shown people are open to third parties (at least in theory). A (not in a good way) credit to both the Republicans and Democrats who do everything they can to keep third party people off ballots/debates etc. as well as pushing the narrative that voting third party is throwing away your vote.

Not likely this Yang led group will gain much traction but would not be against seeing it happen.
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What both parties do to keep 3rd parties out of the mix is disgraceful.

They also game the system to try to get "preferred" candidates as the nominees. That was very evident w/ Hillary in 2016.
 
BartenderElite said:
It's possible that only a 3rd party can save the republic
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Let's say 30% go with the Democrats, 30% go with the new party, and 40% go with the party of trump. Then even though 60% of Americans would oppose the party of trump, they would win most of the elections. It would be a repeat of 1930's Germany, where the Nazis could not get a majority, but the opposition of the Nazis were so fragmented that the Nazis gained control.

I would prefer to see a new second party. Let the party of trump wither away, and then let there be two sane main parties.
 
If I take the viewpoints and substandard IQ of most of the posters here and apply it to the overall US population, there is zero chance for a 3rd party candidate to ever gain any measure of success because the majority of the US population is mired in fear and hate of the other.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
If I take the viewpoints and substandard IQ of most of the posters here and apply it to the overall US population, there is zero chance for a 3rd party candidate to ever gain any measure of success because the majority of the US population is mired in fear and hate of the other.
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Then stop being so stupid and hateful
 
Walt said:
Let's say 30% go with the Democrats, 30% go with the new party, and 40% go with the party of trump. Then even though 60% of Americans would oppose the party of trump, they would win most of the elections. It would be a repeat of 1930's Germany, where the Nazis could not get a majority, but the opposition of the Nazis were so fragmented that the Nazis gained control.

I would prefer to see a new second party. Let the party of trump wither away, and then let there be two sane main parties.
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You're a simpleton aren't you walt? You realize you morons on the created trump don't you? Let's see if you can think.
 
Yakuda said:
You're a simpleton aren't you walt? You realize you morons on the created trump don't you? Let's see if you can think.
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The alt right refuses to take personal responsibility. They commit a crime, but claim that there was someone whispering in someone else's ear that made them do it. They commit a terrorist act, but claim that there was someone else to blame, because we had different political views than them.

Now they cannot even take responsibility for voting for trump.
 
Walt said:
The alt right refuses to take personal responsibility. They commit a crime, but claim that there was someone whispering in someone else's ear that made them do it. They commit a terrorist act, but claim that there was someone else to blame, because we had different political views than them.

Now they cannot even take responsibility for voting for trump.
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I take full responsibility for voting for trump but I didn't want to vote for him. You idiots created the problem but you're too stupid to see it. Even Bill Maher has tried to explain it to you but you people are retarded. That's why come Tuesday you will lose.
 
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BartenderElite said:
I'm a Yang guy. For some reason, smart, practical & common sense candidates rarely break through in the primaries, but he was one of the best candidates in 2020, imo.

He made a great point yesterday. He said to imagine a major sports league where there are only 2 teams. In sports, things get as crazy passionate as they get in politics, and you start to hate the other side and completely demonize them as time goes on. And that is exactly what has happened in politics. They showed a poll while he was talking that had over 80% of both Dems and Republicans saying that they think the other side will destroy the country. Republicans now see Democrats as the enemy, and as a threat - and Dems feel the same about Republicans.

That isn't sustainable.

And we have both parties now catering to their fringe elements. Leaving the sane majority who reside more in the middle left out.

I will strongly support the centrist party that Yang and his group are trying to get off the ground for 2024. We need to get away from the 2-party system.
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The LAST thing that we need is a party in the fucking middle.

We desperately need a viable party to the left of the Democrats, not to mention a merciless, Stalinesque purge of the Republicans.

I fucking hate people who seek the middle because they don't have the courage to pick a side.

It takes a complete absence of balls to be comfortable straddling a fence.
 
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