It’s Not Too Late for Keystone XL: Alberta’s Premier

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dukkha

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Pipeline could send almost 900,0000 barrels to U.S. daily
U.S. government would need to ‘de-risk’ the project first
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...to-approve-keystone-xl-alberta-s-premier-says

The U.S. government has been reaching out to major oil producers including Venezuela, which is under sanctions, to find replacements for Russian oil after that country’s invasion of Ukraine. It has also been working to restore a nuclear pact with Iran that would allow that country’s oil to return to the market.
The U.S. would be better off turning to its northern neighbor for crude than seeking out “dictator oil,”

“The Keystone XL Pipeline Project was terminated in June 2021,” TC Energy said in an email.
The existing Keystone pipeline system, which was built before the XL expansion was proposed, “will continue to provide unique, stable and safe source of energy to meet increasing U.S. energy demands.”

Alberta will produce and export record volumes of oil this year and the province can boost shipments abroad by about 10% by using existing pipeline and crude-by-rail facilities more efficiently, Kenney said. [/u]Enbridge Inc.’s new Line 3 pipeline and a so-called diluent recovery unit that allows heavier crude to be railed down to U.S. refineries will also help boost exports, he said.[/U]
 
that allows heavier crude to be railed down to U.S. refineries will also help boost exports,
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our refineries can handle the tar sand oil. that's importing from CA instead of 'dictators'
 
Yes, we still have an opportunity to run horrible tar sands to the gulf to be refined into diesel and airplane fuel for Asia and Europe. But at least we get all those pipeline breaks and spills to ourselves.
 
Nordberg said:
Yes, we still have an opportunity to run horrible tar sands to the gulf to be refined into diesel and airplane fuel for Asia and Europe. But at least we get all those pipeline breaks and spills to ourselves.
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You spout the same bullshit over and over, do you ever bother to find out the true facts ffs?

Myths About Keystone XL, And The Real Story

In the commotion surrounding the Keystone XL pipeline project, from environmental concerns to economic claims, it’s hard to pick out the real story. Here, we address seven rumours, from the frivolous to the serious, to try to uncover the truth.

Myth: Keystone XL Exports Internationally

This myth is based on pure misinformation, but somehow it is still shared. Oddly, rumours persist that the pipeline would export oil to China, but that’s not in the plans. Keystone XL brings Canadian oil to refineries in the Gulf Coast. These refineries are locked in to long-term contracts to receive oil from Keystone XL, so the reality is that the oil will not be exported internationally.

Myth: Oil Transported by Keystone XL Will Have an Elevated Spillage Risk

This myth stems from the idea that synthetic crude and dilbit, which will be transported by the Keystone XL pipeline need to be heated or are more likely to corrode pipes, leading to spills.

In fact, the pipeline will be built to much higher safety standards than other pipelines. And it’s untrue that the oil would be more corrosive than standard crude—no heating, no major compositional changes.

Myth: Keystone XL Would Increase The Price At The Pump

This myth is mostly a misunderstanding of how oil prices actually work. Gasoline prices are determined by international, not local markets. We saw the result of that when OPEC decided to keep their production levels high and prices plummeted. It’s incredibly rare for one source to determine prices.

That said, Keystone XL has a comparable production capacity to half the current U.S. imports from the Persian Gulf. This stable source of oil could actually lower the price at the pump by making refineries less endangered by global disruptions.

Myth: Exploring the Canadian Oil Sands Will Result in Greater Greenhouse Gas Emissions

In reality, crude oil from the oil sands has very similar well-to-retail pump greenhouse gas emissions to other common sources in the U.S., such as Venezuelan crude. Furthermore, producers aren’t leaving greenhouse gas emissions from the oil sands to chance. Rather, they are actively working to improve the environmental impact of development.

Myth: Stopping Keystone Would Stop Canadian Tar Sands Exploration

This claim is pretty unlikely. The Canadian oil sands production will have a market, whether or not Americans are purchasing from it. It’s much more likely that if Keystone XL wasn’t approved, Canadian producers would just export their oil elsewhere, likely to Asian markets. In that scenario, it’s not like North Americans would stop needing oil, and would likely continue to import from distant Middle Eastern sources. Of course, all of that shipping takes energy, which means it requires oil. From that angle, stopping Keystone could actually increase overall greenhouse gas emissions as all of this oil moves around the world.

Additionally, the government doesn’t predict any change to oil sands production whether the pipeline goes ahead or not.

Myth: American Workers Don’t Benefit From the Keystone XL Pipeline

The American Petroleum Institute estimates that Keystone will create as many as 343,000 U.S. jobs in four years. Even conservative estimates from the government forecasts the creation of 42,000 jobs during the construction phase alone. Many of those will be high-wage manufacturing and construction jobs, which help families live comfortably.

In the long term, things look even better. The Canadian Energy Research Institute (CERI) estimates that oil sands activity will increase the total U.S. GDP by $210 billion over the next twenty years. Jobs look good in the long view as well, as CERI predicts 600,000 jobs could be supported by the pipeline in the same period.

https://www.mainlandmachinery.com/keystone-xl-pipeline-myths-and-facts/
 
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Nordberg said:
Yes, we still have an opportunity to run horrible tar sands to the gulf to be refined into diesel and airplane fuel for Asia and Europe. But at least we get all those pipeline breaks and spills to ourselves.
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Do you ever tire of spouting so much bullshit?
 
dukkha said:
Pipeline could send almost 900,0000 barrels to U.S. daily
U.S. government would need to ‘de-risk’ the project first
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...to-approve-keystone-xl-alberta-s-premier-says

The U.S. government has been reaching out to major oil producers including Venezuela, which is under sanctions, to find replacements for Russian oil after that country’s invasion of Ukraine. It has also been working to restore a nuclear pact with Iran that would allow that country’s oil to return to the market.
The U.S. would be better off turning to its northern neighbor for crude than seeking out “dictator oil,”

“The Keystone XL Pipeline Project was terminated in June 2021,” TC Energy said in an email.
The existing Keystone pipeline system, which was built before the XL expansion was proposed, “will continue to provide unique, stable and safe source of energy to meet increasing U.S. energy demands.”

Alberta will produce and export record volumes of oil this year and the province can boost shipments abroad by about 10% by using existing pipeline and crude-by-rail facilities more efficiently, Kenney said. [/u]Enbridge Inc.’s new Line 3 pipeline and a so-called diluent recovery unit that allows heavier crude to be railed down to U.S. refineries will also help boost exports, he said.[/U]
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More fucking lies from Anatta.

First of all, we already get that oil from Canada...so much of it, in fact, that we get price discounts.

TransCanada, the company who applied with the State Department to build it, said that KXL would increase the price of Tar Sands sludge to that of imported crude, which will eliminate the surplus US PADD II enjoys.

So all KXL will do is increase the price per barrel of oil, eliminate the surplus US PADD II enjoys, and not create a single permanent job let alone 10,000.
 
dukkha said:
our refineries can handle the tar sand oil. that's importing from CA instead of 'dictators'
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We already get that oil, Anatta.

In fact, we get so much of it that it's discounted.

KXL would eliminate that discount by removing the surplus in US PADD II, which is why the Tar Sands sludge is so inexpensive right now.
 
Celticguy said:
Biden killed Keystone, he wont unkill it.
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KXL would have increased energy prices for US consumers.

WE ALREADY GET THAT TAR SANDS SLUDGE FROM CANADA.

It goes right to US PADD II refineries in Illinois.

KXL would divert that flow from PADD II in the US midwest, to PADD III in the US gulf.

Right now, PADD II is landlocked...so the oil in PADD II can't be sold to anyone OTHER than the refineries in PADD II.

PADD III is Gulf access, which means the oil that could only be sold in the US Midwest can now be sold to anyone.

The whole point behind KXL was to increase TransCanada's profits by at least $2B because they could sell their sludge globally instead of only to US PADD II refineries in IL.
 
Primavera said:
Fucking idiot!!
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No one on JPP is a bigger fucking clown than you.

We already get that Tar Sands sludge...we get so much of it that it's discounted for us.

KXL would remove that discount by removing the surplus in US PADD II, which means instead of selling Tar Sands sludge to US refineries for $30/barrel, KXL will make it possible for them to sell that sludge to China for $60/barrel (or whatever the global price per barrel is at any given time).
 
Nordberg said:
You say the dumbest shit and are too uninformed to even know it. https://tarsandsaction.org/spread-the-word/key-facts-keystone-xl/
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He posts some truly biased bullshit from a loony left wing activist website as proof, give me strength! Not only that it's Obama era bullshit. Look at some of the people associated with it.

Bob Haas – professor of poetry and poetics at the University of California, Berkeley, and former poet laureate of the United States

Brenda Hillman – Olivia C. Filippi Professor of Poetry, St. Mary’s College in California
“I am joining other activists on Feb 13 out of concern as an educator, as a poet, as a mother and grandmother; I am convinced that the Keystone XL Pipeline represents a dire threat to the future of the planet and to many species in the path of it. We want to urge the President in the strongest possible terms not to approve the Pipeline and to develop energy alternatives that will be safer and will last longer.”
 
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Primavera said:
He posts some truly biased bullshit from a loony left wing website as proof, give me strength!
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Strength? I am giving you facts, something you flee from in blessed ignorance. Even a person like you should understand the pipeline will not solve this crisis. even if some Asian shitty oil can be diverted. Nor can drilling since there is a long time lag before you can actually get oil.
 
Nordberg said:
Strength? I am giving you facts, something you flee from in blessed ignorance. Even a person like you should understand the pipeline will not solve this crisis. even if some Asian shitty oil can be diverted. Nor can drilling since there is a long time lag before you can actually get oil.
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My god, the loony is even aping Desh now!
 
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