It's not Jim Crow Laws,it's Federalism

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I found this on National Review. It's a good summation of the larger interests involved with "bathroom laws"

The Obama administration in one edict has made sex a personal perspective.
The bathroom locker rooms can be just the beginning.
What's to keep a 6' 4"" man saying he wants to play woman's basketball because he "self identifies" as a female?

The federal gov't should leave accommodation upto the states/schools localities..that is the basis of US Federalism
(Xth Amendment in this case)..

....here's the article ^ my comments
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Some of us care little about the debate over public bathrooms. We do, however, care about the ongoing destruction of federalism, individual choice, and good-faith debate in America.

One reliable way to quash dissent and force moral codes on others is to liken a cause to that of the 1960s civil-rights fight, because every liberal issue is situated somewhere on the great historical arc of “equality” and “justice.”
If people stand against even one of these causes — which were once great, but are increasingly trivial today — they have, according to the cultural imperialists of the Obama administration, aligned themselves with the Ku Klux Klan.

Attorney General Loretta Lynch announced on Monday that the Department of Justice was filing a federal civil-rights lawsuit against the state of North Carolina, Governor Pat McCrory, the North Carolina Department of Public Safety and the University of North Carolina for passing the “controversial law”
(this is the go-to characterization
of conservative bills that pass with healthy majorities) requiring transgender people to use public bathrooms matching their birth certificate.
She had this to say: “​This is not the first time that we have seen discriminatory responses to historic moments of progress for our nation. We saw it in the Jim Crow laws that followed the Emancipation Proclamation. We saw it in fierce and widespread resistance to Brown v. Board of Education.
And we saw it in the proliferation of state bans on same-sex unions intended to stifle any hope that gay and lesbian Americans might one day be afforded the right to marry.”

The Obama Administration Provokes a Legal Crisis — the War against North Carolina Likening a spat over biologically segregated male and female bathrooms to the genuinely violent, systematic, state-sponsored, and society-wide bigotry that took place in this country for a century is both intellectually and morally corrupt. It’s not all a continuum .
Yet the Obama administration peddles these kinds of risible comparisons for the cause of self-aggrandizement all the time.

For starters, the scale of these events is in no sense comparable. The Jim Crow laws passed by states and localities to enforce racial segregation stripped millions of African Americans not only of their liberty, but of their dignity. The state punished them for their skin color, and kept them uneducated and poor. They could not escape their situation without more government interference.


The present situation is significantly different and less dire in every possible sense. It is the sort of social problem generally worked out among people in this country without unelected civil-rights commissions’ punishing business owners for thought crimes. Under North Carolina’s law, no coffee shop or big-box store — no private company — is stopped from having its own desired bathroom setup. I’m pretty sure most voters don’t comprehend this fact through the distorted coverage of this law in the news.

North Carolina and other states have preemptively moved forward in creating these kinds of bills to head off the federal government’s redefining gender. But it’s too late. The fact is, at any point, the government can simply announce that a man can choose to be a woman and vice versa. This announcement would then compel everyone in the country to accept this reality. Yet there is currently no federal definition of what transgender is, other than self-identification, which can mean anything.
Vanita Gupta, head of the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division, says: “Transgender men are men. . . . Transgender women are women.”
So sayeth Gupta, so say us all — or else. And now, 323 million people must adhere to the Obama administration’s relativistic notions of nature and gender.


In a broader sense, the suit is symbolic of the federal government’s eight-year crusade to decimate any semblance of federalism and implement progressive morality. The administration ignores state laws that conflict with federal policy when it approves of the law, and it sues states when it does not. States that pass law-enforcement bills that President Obama finds unsatisfactory will see the full force of the Justice Department. Those states with drug-legalization laws and immigration laws he does like have nothing to worry about, even if the laws conflict with federal law. Whether or not one agrees with these moves in theory — and I am liberal on drug legalization and immigration — allowing Washington, D.C., to selectively enforce law conflicts with the kind of republicanism that allows us to be diverse and deal with unique problems locally.

: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435339/barack-obama-transgender-bathroom-anti-federalist-push
 
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Cry harder.

Your attempt to deny equal rights to all is doomed.

Welcome to America, with liberty and justice for all.
Those equal rights are pretty mercurial ( unlike true civil rights)
The fact is, at any point, the government can simply announce that a man can choose to be a woman and vice versa. This announcement would then compel everyone in the country to accept this reality. Yet there is currently no federal definition of what transgender is, other than self-identification, which can mean anything
.
 
That's progress. Not long ago, American women and black Americans had limited civil rights.

I love the Constitution.

Don't you?
now I'm sure you didn't read the article.The very title shows that this is not Jim Crow.

The Jim Crow laws passed by states and localities to enforce racial segregation stripped millions of African Americans not only of their liberty, but of their dignity. The state punished them for their skin color, and kept them uneducated and poor. They could not escape their situation without more government interference.
compare this to what the fed's are doing here. They are making a societal judgement and using it as the same civilrights
Women and blacks are concrete real people who's definition is immutable..

Gender identity could be one thing today, and a different thing next week by the same person's perspective/declaration.
 
"...War against North Carolina Likening a spat over biologically segregated male and female bathrooms to the genuinely violent, systematic, state-sponsored, and society-wide bigotry that took place in this country for a century is both intellectually and morally corrupt. It’s not all a continuum . "

If this wasn't so long I'd put it in my sig lol. JPP home run ball deep over left center field.
 
now I'm sure you didn't read the article.The very title shows that this is not Jim Crow.

compare this to what the fed's are doing here. They are making a societal judgement and using it as the same civilrights
Women and blacks are concrete real people who's definition is immutable..

Gender identity could be one thing today, and a different thing next week by the same person's perspective/declaration.

The gender identity thing is subjective nonsense by any rational standard.

But the larger point about the Social Justice Crusaders hijacking the civil rights movement for the cause de juor has MLK rolling over in his grave. And abusing the power of the federal government to impose a particular POV has the founders rolling over in theirs.

It's bullshit. But the OP said it much better.
 
The gender identity thing is subjective nonsense by any rational standard.

But the larger point about the Social Justice Crusaders hijacking the civil rights movement for the cause de juor has MLK rolling over in his grave. And abusing the power of the federal government to impose a particular POV has the founders rolling over in theirs.

It's bullshit. But the OP said it much better.
cause de jour is exactly correct.. excellent phrase.
The fed's issue a statement and the entire law is amended? I don't think so..suppose the next POTUS decided not to do the same?
Leave it upto the state, people -or maybe Congress will actually do something - in which case it codified .
 
cause de jour is exactly correct.. excellent phrase.
The fed's issue a statement and the entire law is amended? I don't think so..suppose the next POTUS decided not to do the same?
Leave it upto the state, people -or maybe Congress will actually do something - in which case it codified .

Pretty much. If the people of NC want laws restricting restroom use along gender lines, that should be up to them and everyone else can go pound sand if they don't like it. Since I don't live there, I couldn't care less lol. Hell, if I lived there I couldn't care less. If the state keeps the damned roads fixed I'm happy.

At the core, the Sexual Justice Crusaders are moral busy bodies who can't leave well enough alone.
 
Pretty much. If the people of NC want laws restricting restroom use along gender lines, that should be up to them and everyone else can go pound sand if they don't like it. Since I don't live there, I couldn't care less lol. Hell, if I lived there I couldn't care less. If the state keeps the damned roads fixed I'm happy.

At the core, the Sexual Justice Crusaders are moral busy bodies who can't leave well enough alone.
there isn't the same crisis of need there was for women's equality, or racial civil rights...according to the OP the definition of "transgender" is not in federal law.
(meaning is it identity, or is it surgical I suppose).
whatever.. it's too convulsive to simply say the fed's dictate to the states without a more national need shown.
That is the federalist part of it. until it goes thru courts, and legal definitions are hardened, let the states mange it
 
there isn't the same crisis of need there was for women's equality, or racial civil rights...according to the OP the definition of "transgender" is not in federal law. (meaning is it identity, or is it surgical I suppose). whatever.. it's too convulsive to simply say the fed's dictate to the states without a more national need shown. That is the federalist part of it. until it goes thru courts, and legal definitions are hardened, let the states mange it

You don't get to make that decision, do you?
 
there isn't the same crisis of need there was for women's equality, or racial civil rights...according to the OP the definition of "transgender" is not in federal law.
(meaning is it identity, or is it surgical I suppose).
whatever.. it's too convulsive to simply say the fed's dictate to the states without a more national need shown.
That is the federalist part of it. until it goes thru courts, and legal definitions are hardened, let the states mange it

Yeah but that isn't how leftists roll. This has never been about "equal rights" for any group. It has ALWAYS been about tearing down American society brick by brick..

It started with welfare, gay pedophiles infiltrating the church, no fault divorce, queer marriage, now transtesticles. All designed to redefine the family and grow gobblement.
 
Suck it, bigots.

If the South wants to violate the Constitution, they can pay the price.

Remember how well that worked last time?
equal protection clause is the basis for Title IX -
he debate is should transgender get the same level of administrative law as women or blacks..

The OP makes the case it's different, and requires more time to settle out. On that basis I also agree.
 
you wind up with a protected class, where it may not be needed. I realize federal over-reach isn't something considered by libs/Dems -but it is very much a Constitutional method of measurement

There's no such thing as 'federal over reach' to them lol. To them, the power of the federal government is supposed to be used to force conformity. That's why SCOTUS appointments are so important to them: they know as well as anyone their ideas would be rejected by most Americans [NC in this instance]; and since they can't abide other people disagreeing with them they use the federal court system to by-pass the legislative process.

Like they did with gay marriage. They were actually winning on that one, but that wasn't enough. It's their way or the highway, dammit lol. They're the petulant teenagers in the electorate. They want it their way, and they want it NOW.

Over reach? They don't know what it means.
 
There's no such thing as 'federal over reach' to them lol. To them, the power of the federal government is supposed to be used to force conformity. That's why SCOTUS appointments are so important to them: they know as well as anyone their ideas would be rejected by most Americans [NC in this instance]; and since they can't abide other people disagreeing with them they use the federal court system to by-pass the legislative process.

Like they did with gay marriage. They were actually winning on that one, but that wasn't enough. It's their way or the highway, dammit lol. They're the petulant teenagers in the electorate. They want it their way, and they want it NOW.

Over reach? They don't know what it means.
gay marriage percolated thru the courts, and thre were many state that recognized it..
It had to be more uniform ( can't have some states allowing benefits -others not).

SCOTUS ruling it was equal protection is fine -not what I would have emphasized
(and the Kennedy decision was lampooned by Scalia -read his dissent for a laugh)
but the ruling is fine..

Compare that to this..there is no comparison!
 
gay marriage percolated thru the courts, and thre were many state that recognized it..It had to be more uniform ( can't have some states allowing benefits -others not). SCOTUS ruling it was equal protection is fine -not what I would have emphasized (and the Kennedy decision was lampooned by Scalia -read his dissent for a laugh) but the ruling is fine..Compare that to this..there is no comparison!

Equal justice for all.
 
you are now reduced to spamming?

Think so?

The law is clear.

You are free to keep crying about it, and I am free to point out the flaws in the fear-based bigotry that pervades the Potty Patrol movement like the stench of an unchanged adult diaper.
 
Think so?

The law is clear.

You are free to keep crying about it, and I am free to point out the flaws in the fear-based bigotry that pervades the Potty Patrol movement like the stench of an unchanged adult diaper.
a complete misunderstanding of federalism, the role of the Xth and why transgenders self identity is different from black/women's civil rights.....
but go ahead and have at it.
 
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