It’s Good For America, Not Russia, To Stop The CIA From Funding Syrian Jihadists

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The latest batch of horse manure peddled by the mainstream media came after yet another anonymous leak from within the intelligence community to the Washington Post. On Wednesday last week, the Post reported that President Trump had ordered the Central Intelligence Agency to stop arming and training the rebels fighting Bashar al-Assad in Syria.

The decision likely occurred last month, during a meeting in the Oval Office that included national security advisor H.R. McMaster and CIA Director Mike Pompeo. This was several weeks before a July 7 meeting that Trump was set to have with Russian President Vladimir Putin, who backs the Assad regime.

That meeting between Trump and Putin resulted in the announcement of a ceasefire in southwest Syria, along the Jordanian border, where many of the CIA-backed rebels have been operating. The Post went on to report that the Jordanians were on board with the decision, and that the ceasefire was not predicated on ending the CIA program.
Cue the Media Hysterics

The mainstream media took the news and promptly concocted the narrative that since this was “a move long sought by Russia,” Trump’s decision amounted to more evidence of Russian influence over the president. CNN called the move “controversial,” quoting Bob Baer, CNN analyst and former CIA operative, who opined that Trump’s move is “a gift to Vladimir Putin for no quid pro quo and that’s not the way diplomacy works… it’s crazy, frankly, I’ve never seen anything like it.”

Another outlet quoted Ned Price, a former CIA officer who served as senior director of the National Security Council under President Barack Obama, to advance the same narrative: “It also fits a broader pattern,” Price said. “The White House appears content to kowtow to Moscow on any number of fronts — including in Syria, where, with each passing day, this administration appears to harbor fewer objections to the continued rule of Bashar al-Assad, a murderous dictator who continues to slaughter his own people.”

The Washington Post noted that its anonymous sources view Trump’s move as a “major concession” to Moscow: “This is a momentous decision – Putin won in Syria.” The Post then ended its story with a quote from a still-anonymous former Obama administration official: “People began thinking about ending the program, but it was not something you’d do for free… To give [the program] away without getting anything in return would be foolish.”

Democrat Party hacks Chris Matthews and former director of national intelligence James Clapper got together on MSNBC to say that Trump was “making Russia great again.Neoconservative Republicans didn’t miss out either. The Hill quoted Sen. John McCain, who said Trump was “playing right into the hands of Vladimir Putin.” Sen. Lindsey Graham also denounced the move:

Although the mainstream media devoted multiple paragraphs to anonymous officials condemning Trump’s move, few if any mainstream outlets noted that there were legitimate arguments in favor of ending the CIA’s program.

The CIA Program Was Not in America’s Best Interests

The idea that Trump gave away the farm to Russia is ridiculous, for three reasons: First, we have spent years arming so-called “moderate” rebels in Syria to the tune of $1 billion per year, with little to show for it. That amounts to $1 out of every $15 in the CIA budget, as estimated by the Washington Post, and $100,000 for every anti-Assad rebel who has gone through the CIA’s training program.

Note that just because the CIA has trained and armed a rebel does not mean the rebel actually showed up in the field to fight Assad. In 2014, for example, a special program sought to train 15,000 rebels in Jordan and other countries before returning the rebels to Syria. Only “four or five” of the recruits in the program actually returned to Syria to fight. It is likely that most of the other “rebels” turned tail and sold their expensive American weapons to jihadists, including ISIS.

Even Adam Schiff, the head Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee and a modern-day Joe McCarthy, was quoted in a Post story from 2015 was highly skeptical of the CIA program’s efficacy. All the way back in 2015 this skepticism was bipartisan, at least in the House.

Second, the groups we were actively funding in Syria were many times far from being “moderate.” Several U.S.-backed rebels have had ties to Jabhat-al Nusra, or the Nusra Front, an offshoot of al-Qaeda. Even a former U.S. official who supports the CIA’s program lamented in a 2015 interview with the BBC that the rebels were not “ideologically pure,” and noted that “in wars like [this], there is no black and white.” Worse, as part of the CIA’s program, the United States even kept groups that were affiliated with al-Qaeda—terrorist groups by any clear definition of the word—off the United Nations terrorist list, solely because these groups were receiving U.S. support.

Finally, U.S. weapons given to the bad guys have cost innocent human lives. One American-funded group, Ahrar al-Sham, directly collaborated with the Nusra Front in a raid on a village in 2016 that killed 19 civilians, including women and children. As you can imagine in a war such as this, this is only one of many atrocities committed by all sides.

While not-a-Republican Joe Scarborough rages about hundreds who have died in chemical attacks possibly not even perpetrated by the Syrian government in 2013, 2015, and 2017, our conventional weapons have helped prolong a war that has resulted in countless thousands of civilian deaths. And the weapons we have supplied will inevitably end up being turned on us, particularly on the men and women of our armed forces

the CIA started “officially” funding rebel groups in 2013, two years before the Russians got involved in Syria.
Not only that, there is evidence that suggests the CIA, in coordination with the Turks and the Saudis, was running weapons to unsavory jihadi rebels as far back as 2012 (which likely explains much of the 2012 incident in Benghazi).

Where are the results to show for the billions of dollars spent? Where is the large cadre of moderate rebels? Should we have placed U.S. troops on the ground, as many have called for? If so, what would be the exit strategy, and would Syria be better off after we eventually exited?

In short, the idea that Russia orchestrated the decision to end the CIA’s funding of jihadists is totally corrupt and offensive. Even the idea that Syria was “given” to the Russians is preposterous. Syria has always been a client of Russia, as far back as the old Soviet days.

Trump didn’t just decide three weeks ago to stop funding the Syrian rebels. He consistently talked about the issue throughout the Republican primaries and during the general election. In March 2016, Trump called removing Assad and fighting ISIS at the same time “idiocy.” In an interview with the Wall Street Journal before the 2016 election, Trump complained that “we’re backing rebels against Syria, and we have no idea who these people are.”
https://thefederalist.com/2017/07/24/good-america-not-russia-stop-cia-funding-syrian-jihadists/
 
There are three takeaways from this. First, and not that anyone needed more proof, but this latest Trump-Russia narrative shows how corrupt the mainstream media has become. The same media that raked the Bush administration over the coals for nation-building in Iraq seems perfectly content to cheerlead the exact same mistake in Syria.

Next, the fact that most Democrats, who love to label Republicans as warmongers, have been silent on this issue shows yet again how corrupt the Democrat Party has become.
Increasingly, progressivism means expanded state power and nothing more. In fact, it is quite possible that we are witnessing the neoconservative wing of the Republican Party shift over to the Democrats, as was true before the 1970s.

Finally, and most important, the fact that establishment Republicans have cheer-led for toppling Assad and haven’t learned anything from the mistakes the George W. Bush administration made, speaks to one of the reasons why Trump was elected: There is a sizeable difference between the conservative base’s views on foreign policy and the beltway’s neoconservative foreign policy.

Especially after Trump, it is quite likely that neoconservatism, prevalent among the majority of elected GOP officials, has little actual constituency in flyover country. Tucker Carlson has begun to highlight this, facing off against Ralph Peters and Max Boot (watching both exchanges is well worth your time). This is a conversation worth having, and here’s to hoping that more pundits join Carlson in asking tough questions of our policy-makers. The future of the conservative movement in large part depends on getting this issue right.
Willis L. Krumholz lives in Minneapolis, Minnesota. He is a JD/MBA graduate from the University of St. Thomas,
 
However, such a move is likely to come under scrutiny, given how closely it aligns with Russia's support of Assad's regime.
The timing of the step, given multiple US government investigations into the Trump campaign's links to the Kremlin, will also raise eyebrows.
"The context of this is, at the meeting in Hamburg, Trump let Putin go on the hacking," Baer said. "He's not addressed the hacking and rather than taking some sort of retaliation against Putin for the hacking, he gave him a gift. The optics of this couldn't be worse."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-programme-supporting-syrian-rebels-fighting/
“We are falling into a Russian trap,” said Charles Lister, a senior fellow at the Middle East Institute, who focuses on the Syrian resistance. “Moscow will be delighted. We are making the moderate resistance more and more vulnerable. . . . We are really cutting them off at the neck.

^ dangers of Russiaphobia backed with Fake News as a "win for Russia" leaves the neocons in the drivers seat
 
After hearing Chuck Schumer lately, I think all the Russiamania obsession by the msm while be decreasing...granted...leeeetle by leeeeetle, but still decreasing.
 
After hearing Chuck Schumer lately, I think all the Russiamania obsession by the msm while be decreasing...granted...leeeetle by leeeeetle, but still decreasing.
I doubt it. that was his widow store display to buy into the Democrats as middle class warriors.
They are still the resistance, still uninterested in governing
 
I doubt it. that was his widow store display to buy into the Democrats as middle class warriors.
They are still the resistance, still uninterested in governing

Yes, absolutely. I agree it's all a façade. But, Schumer knows the country's sick of all the Russian stuff so he knows they have to put on their new masks of moderation on the outside, all the while continuing with their exact same beliefs on the inside. And, they'll need the cooperation of their msm buddies to push this new image on the voting public.
 
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the most hilarious thing i remember about this is the US training this one force and arming them to the teeth. On their first mission they surrender to ISIS. LOL.
 
the most hilarious thing i remember about this is the US training this one force and arming them to the teeth. On their first mission they surrender to ISIS. LOL.
al Nusra overran them -not ISIS

U.S.-backed Syria rebels routed by fighters linked to al-Qaeda
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...6ec0a0aaf34_story.html?utm_term=.8f927231b880

The Obama administration’s Syria strategy suffered a major setback Sunday after fighters linked to al-Qaeda routed U.S.-backed rebels from their main northern strongholds, capturing significant quantities of weaponry, triggering widespread defections and ending hopes that Washington will readily find Syrian partners in its war against the Islamic State.

Moderate rebels who had been armed and trained by the United States either surrendered or defected to the extremists as the Jabhat al-Nusra group, affiliated with al-Qaeda, swept through the towns and villages the moderates controlled in the northern province of Idlib, in what appeared to be a concerted push to vanquish the moderate Free Syrian Army, according to rebel commanders, activists and analysts.

 
al Nusra overran them -not ISIS

U.S.-backed Syria rebels routed by fighters linked to al-Qaeda
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...6ec0a0aaf34_story.html?utm_term=.8f927231b880

The Obama administration’s Syria strategy suffered a major setback Sunday after fighters linked to al-Qaeda routed U.S.-backed rebels from their main northern strongholds, capturing significant quantities of weaponry, triggering widespread defections and ending hopes that Washington will readily find Syrian partners in its war against the Islamic State.

Moderate rebels who had been armed and trained by the United States either surrendered or defected to the extremists as the Jabhat al-Nusra group, affiliated with al-Qaeda, swept through the towns and villages the moderates controlled in the northern province of Idlib, in what appeared to be a concerted push to vanquish the moderate Free Syrian Army, according to rebel commanders, activists and analysts.


you say terrorist i say muslim. potato potatoe

we shouldnt get too bogged down in semantics : )
 
Al Qaeda Leader Al-Zawahiri Declares War on ISIS 'Caliph' Al-Baghdadi

It’s pretty interesting,” said former National Counterterrorism Center Director Matthew Olsen. “Zawahiri until now has not been willing to openly condemn Baghdadi and ISIS. It highlights how deep the division is between al Qaeda leadership and ISIS. It suggests that the differences are irreconcilable.”

Had ISIS and al Qaeda realigned by joining forces, it “would be terrible
think of this as ISIS is destroyed.where do the foreign fighters go?
They would be an insurgency- i think they would blend in with AQ.

franchise in Afghanistan and Pakistan, known as IS Khorasan Province, “has been fighting non-stop” with the Taliban and al Qaeda there, a counter-terrorism official told ABC News.
does the demise of ISIS middle east mean better cooperation in Afghanistan ?
http://abcnews.go.com/International/al-qaeda-leader-al-zawahiri-declares-war-isis/story?id=33656684
 
al Nusra overran them -not ISIS

U.S.-backed Syria rebels routed by fighters linked to al-Qaeda
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...6ec0a0aaf34_story.html?utm_term=.8f927231b880

The Obama administration’s Syria strategy suffered a major setback Sunday after fighters linked to al-Qaeda routed U.S.-backed rebels from their main northern strongholds, capturing significant quantities of weaponry, triggering widespread defections and ending hopes that Washington will readily find Syrian partners in its war against the Islamic State.

Moderate rebels who had been armed and trained by the United States either surrendered or defected to the extremists as the Jabhat al-Nusra group, affiliated with al-Qaeda, swept through the towns and villages the moderates controlled in the northern province of Idlib, in what appeared to be a concerted push to vanquish the moderate Free Syrian Army, according to rebel commanders, activists and analysts.


I thought al-Nusra and the FSA were allied? How the hell does this stuff work?
 
I thought al-Nusra and the FSA were allied? How the hell does this stuff work?

I get the idea the two groups are as confused about it as anybody. Bottom line, we have no business supporting al Qaeda [or any of their off-shoots] or in regime change in Syria.

It was madness and Trump should be lauded for putting a stop to it. Especially, by the anti-war left and they have been largely silent.
 
I thought al-Nusra and the FSA were allied? How the hell does this stuff work?
al-Nusra are Islamists, and they are considered "al-Qaeda in Syria"
FSA are non-secularists ( do not want an Islamic state as a necessity) and are not part of AQ.

Syria is a place of shifting alliances on the battlefield ( enemy of my enemy)
but they all have different goals for Syria as a state.
 
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