It's Going Down In Wisconsin

Bfgrn said:
Why did Rush need illegal Viagra? Maybe Bruce the pilot needed more flaps.

The man is a slime ball Yurt...
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Rush is/was a drug addict.

Coming from someone who wants everyone to pay for a prescription for aspirin like you do is funny!
 
Start replacing the union teachers with none union teachers!

Let the teachers calling in sick, and are not sick, go find a better job.

I wouldn't want them teaching my child.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
besides the fact that I think he should be doing this to ALL public union workers, the governors priority is state budget solvency. we already know the dems are not going to do it. the dems are already in favor of a fed bailout.
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I see, you really believe in a heavy handed and dictatorial government, especially when it comes to dealing with the subjects; working people, teachers, fireman, police, janitors and other peasants.

You call yourself a 'libertarian' and say your beliefs, as opposed to my liberal beliefs are closely aligned with our founding fathers...yet you sound like the loyalists, Tories, Redcoats and Lobsterbacks....
 
Liberty said:
Rush is/was a drug addict.

Coming from someone who wants everyone to pay for a prescription for aspirin like you do is funny!
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Maybe you're just not repeating that lie often enough...try chanting it...

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Bfgrn said:
And spending $140 million in new special-interest spending that includes:

“• $25 million for an economic development fund for job creation that still has $73 million due to a lack of job creation. Walker is creating a $25 million hole which will not create or retain jobs.

“• $48 million for private health savings accounts, which primarily benefit the wealthy. A study from the federal Governmental Accountability Office showed the average adjusted gross income of HSA participants was $139,000 and nearly half of HSA participants reported withdrawing nothing from their HSA, evidence that it is serving as a tax shelter for wealthy participants.

“• $67 million for a tax shift plan, so ill-conceived that at best the benefit provided to ‘job creators’ would be less than a dollar a day per new job, and may be as little as 30 cents a day.”

State Rep. Mark Pocan, D-Madison, sums up this scheming accurately when he says: “In one fell swoop, Gov. Walker is trying to institute a sweeping radical and dangerous notion that will return Wisconsin to the days when land barons and railroad tycoons controlled the political elites in Madison.”

The bottom line is evident to anyone who cares to pay attention not to the spin but to the budget figures: Walker is manufacturing a fiscal “crisis” in order to achieve political goals.

Walker is not addressing a fiscal crisis.

He is not serving Wisconsin.

He is serving his own interest and those of the lobbyists who represent his campaign contributors.
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???....creating jobs and helping with health care costs are "special interests".....
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Then how about you start by asking those at the TOP of the earnings ladder to demonstrate their commitment by putting up the way they expect teachers to put up?
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lol...instead of expecting them to put up with what the 95% who pay the property taxes that funds their paycheck have to put up with?.....brilliant plan, son.....
 
Wow....I was watching the coverage of the protest in Madison last night on TV. 10 pm in the evening and there were over 40,000 protesters on the State Capital and many of them were police, firemen and state troopers (who were exempted from Walkers Bill) there in support of the teachers, the nurses, the clerks and all the other hard working people who make our civil live possible that Walker is trying to deny their rights with his union busting efforts. Walker has lost badly on this one.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
???....creating jobs and helping with health care costs are "special interests".....
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It is when you they target a small group of wealhty supporters. Hell yea. It's clear the budget shortfall is an imaginary one created by Walker and that this is an attack on our basic rights to peaceably organize to negotiate our wages and working conditions.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Wow....I was watching the coverage of the protest in Madison last night on TV. 10 pm in the evening and there were over 40,000 protesters on the State Capital and many of them were police, firemen and state troopers (who were exempted from Walkers Bill) there in support of the teachers, the nurses, the clerks and all the other hard working people who make our civil live possible that Walker is trying to deny their rights with his union busting efforts. Walker has lost badly on this one.
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depends....there are 40,000 people demonstrating and another 2million watching....he's only lost if 51% of those watching side with the people demonstrating.....
 
Mott the Hoople said:
It is when you they target a small group of wealhty supporters. Hell yea. It's clear the budget shortfall is an imaginary one created by Walker and that this is an attack on our basic rights to peaceably organize to negotiate our wages and working conditions.
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sorry, Mott, but obviously wealthy supporters don't need either a job or help with their health care......and there is no basic right to pay zero dollars towards pension funds.....he isn't interfering with their right to demonstrate, he's interfering with their right to close down schools to protect their $600......he's not interfering with their right to organize, he's interfering with their "right" to compel every teacher to support their goals....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
sorry, Mott, but obviously wealthy supporters don't need either a job or help with their health care......and there is no basic right to pay zero dollars towards pension funds.....he isn't interfering with their right to demonstrate, he's interfering with their right to close down schools to protect their $600......he's not interfering with their right to organize, he's interfering with their "right" to compel every teacher to support their goals....
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Bull shit! That's not only a canard it's a strawman. The public unions in Wisconsin, despite the fact that a corrupt Governor has created a budget deficit when his predecessor ran a surplus have agreed to negotiate concessions but Walker has refused to negotiate with them. Being able to organize in order to negotiate your wages and conditions of employment are a fundamental basic right and Walker is hell bend in ending those rights.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
depends....there are 40,000 people demonstrating and another 2million watching....he's only lost if 51% of those watching side with the people demonstrating.....
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The latest polls in Wisconsin have varied but the lowest one showed 51% supported the public unions and the highest showed 66% supported the public unions. Anyway you dice it, the public unions have clear majority support in the State of Wisconsin. Walker is now, politically speaking, between a rock and a hard spot.
 
Bfgrn said:
I see, you really believe in a heavy handed and dictatorial government, especially when it comes to dealing with the subjects; working people, teachers, fireman, police, janitors and other peasants.
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you see what you want to see. that's how liberals are, even when it's wrong.

Bfgrn said:
You call yourself a 'libertarian' and say your beliefs, as opposed to my liberal beliefs are closely aligned with our founding fathers...yet you sound like the loyalists, Tories, Redcoats and Lobsterbacks....
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why don't you take a day and read through the constitutions of the US and several of the states. maybe you might have an idea of what representative republics are and what they are supposed to do. then come back to me when you feel you are better educated.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Wow....I was watching the coverage of the protest in Madison last night on TV. 10 pm in the evening and there were over 40,000 protesters on the State Capital and many of them were police, firemen and state troopers (who were exempted from Walkers Bill) there in support of the teachers, the nurses, the clerks and all the other hard working people who make our civil live possible that Walker is trying to deny their rights with his union busting efforts. Walker has lost badly on this one.
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the police, firefighters, and troopers were there because they know that if he can do it to the teachers, he can do it to their unions as well.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
you see what you want to see. that's how liberals are, even when it's wrong.


why don't you take a day and read through the constitutions of the US and several of the states. maybe you might have an idea of what representative republics are and what they are supposed to do. then come back to me when you feel you are better educated.
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In a representative republic, elected public servants 'of the people' don't arbitrarily FIRE people who have dedicated their lives to a profession. They don't endanger the public by firing all the policemen and firemen. They don't punish our children and parents by firing all the teachers and educators...THAT my obtuse friend is NOT a representative republic...that is a dictatorship.
 
Bfgrn said:
In a representative republic, elected public servants 'of the people' don't arbitrarily FIRE people who have dedicated their lives to a profession. They don't endanger the public by firing all the policemen and firemen. They don't punish our children and parents by firing all the teachers and educators...THAT my obtuse friend is NOT a representative republic...that is a dictatorship.
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yet if those very same public servants endanger the public or skip out on their professions by massive sick outs and strikes, then it is the responsibility of the government to take decisive action. that is not a dictatorship, it's a means to prevent anarchy.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
yet if those very same public servants endanger the public or skip out on their professions by massive sick outs and strikes, then it is the responsibility of the government to take decisive action. that is not a dictatorship, it's a means to prevent anarchy.
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So what you're saying is that being an at will employee for the Government is a one way street and that you no longer have rights once you're in their employment? Bullshit. Let's see what caliber and quality of professionals you get to teach, nurse, fiight fire and crime, maintain our public roads and works when they have to kiss Walker ass to have a job and work at any wage and conditions, no matter how intolerable or unsafe, that Walker dictates. Let's see how that works.

The right wing in this nation is freaken insane! As I've said over and over again. There all for freedom and liberty until someone, like the members of the public unions in Wisconsin, actually practice them.

Oh...I forgot. Freedom, liberty and democracy are only for people like Walker and his cohort and not working class schmucks.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
So what you're saying is that being an at will employee for the Government is a one way street and that you no longer have rights once you're in their employment? Bullshit. Let's see what caliber and quality of professionals you get to teach, nurse, fiight fire and crime, maintain our public roads and works when they have to kiss Walker ass to have a job and work at any wage and conditions, no matter how intolerable or unsafe, that Walker dictates. Let's see how that works.

The right wing in this nation is freaken insane! As I've said over and over again. There all for freedom and liberty until someone, like the members of the public unions in Wisconsin, actually practice them.

Oh...I forgot. Freedom, liberty and democracy are only for people like Walker and his cohort and not working class schmucks.
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working for the government is not some right or privilege. it should actually be considered a duty done out of the intent of making the state or nation a better place. Not something that you can squeeze better dental and pension from the taxpayers. guaranteed that you'd have better professionals patrolling the streets out of a sense of duty than you would someone who's working for a paycheck.

and the unions are not practicing freedom and liberty. they are practicing thuggish and bullying tactics
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Bull shit! That's not only a canard it's a strawman. The public unions in Wisconsin, despite the fact that a corrupt Governor has created a budget deficit when his predecessor ran a surplus have agreed to negotiate concessions but Walker has refused to negotiate with them. Being able to organize in order to negotiate your wages and conditions of employment are a fundamental basic right and Walker is hell bend in ending those rights.
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/shrugs....bullshit right back at you....pretty much everything you said has already been proven untrue in this thread already.....his predecessor did not run a surplus, he has not created a deficit, there is no evidence he is corrupt that I am aware of, nothing has been proposed to block negotiations of wages and it is true that the one thing that the teachers have refused to negotiate on is the open shop provisions, which if anything, should be a fundamental basic right....there is no freedom of association if you are compelled to join the union in order to have a job......
 
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