It's Going Down In Wisconsin

Of course, you ignore that Walker and the Republicans enacted bills that cut revenues by $202.8 million over the 2011-13 period.
 
Correction: The three bills will reduce revenues by roughly $117 million over that period, not $202 million. My mistake.

I know the deal, SM. Cut taxes, gin up a crisis and balance the books on the backs of public employee unions.
 
NigelTufnel said:
Correction: The three bills will reduce revenues by roughly $117 million over that period, not $202 million. My mistake.

I know the deal, SM. Cut taxes, gin up a crisis and balance the books on the backs of public employee unions.
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I'm sure your right, I haven't heard of any states or municipalities that are having pension issues.:whoa:
 
NigelTufnel said:
Correction: The three bills will reduce revenues by roughly $117 million over that period, not $202 million. My mistake.

I know the deal, SM. Cut taxes, gin up a crisis and balance the books on the backs of public employee unions.
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Do you think taxes were too low? :)
 
Topspin said:
Exactly as I said. The rest of the world lags our corporate sophistication. Yup and our teachers make more than theirs and more than their private sector workers. Lofl
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But, sadly, they turn out more illiterates today than ever before.
 
NigelTufnel said:
Correction: The three bills will reduce revenues by roughly $117 million over that period, not $202 million. My mistake.

I know the deal, SM. Cut taxes, gin up a crisis and balance the books on the backs of public employee unions.
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"gin up a crisis".... too funny.

READ THE REPORT.

They have TWO things not included in the general fund according to the fiscal report. The $200m the idiots took from one fund and put into the general fund.... and the $58m of lost revenue from the reciprocity agreement.
 
Superfreak said:
"gin up a crisis".... too funny.

READ THE REPORT.

They have TWO things not included in the general fund according to the fiscal report. The $200m the idiots took from one fund and put into the general fund.... and the $58m of lost revenue from the reciprocity agreement.
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Which has exactly nothing to do with the Republican governor and Republican legislature cutting revenues by $117 million over the 2011-13 period. If you want to pretend that the Republicans haven't done anything to gin up a budget crisis, that's fine, but I don't think it's very funny.
 
Superfreak said:
Yeah... making those poor union people pay a portion of their own health care and pensions.... just like the private sector, instead of making the private sector pay for theirs AND the unions. Yeah, that is 'crushing labor'.

Fucking retard..... and yeah... libertarians in general would support individuals paying for their own.

As for your overtly biased article, yeah... note to dumbass... while the union members may indeed be forced to give up part of their pay to take care of their own health care it is incorrect to state it will have a negative impact on the economy. SOMEONE has to pay for the union members health care and pensions. All this is doing is changing WHO pays a portion. That means a reduction in the states deficit rather than increasing taxes on everyone to pay for the unions members benefits.
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Interesting you freak...

Originally Posted by Bfgrn:
The debate over Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid were made years ago. MILLIONS of Americans lives were bettered and even saved by those programs...charity and family existed BEFORE those programs...it FAILED.

The freak replies:
Once again you show your ignorance. You try to misconstrue what I wrote and then label all libertarians by what you imagined was said.

There is nothing wrong at all with having those programs. Provided we limit them to those that truly need them and don't simply provide blanket coverage to everyone.

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You are a FRAUD...you are just another right wing Monica Lewinsky for the wealthy.


Since his inauguration in early January, Walker has approved $140 million in new special-interest spending that includes:

• $48 million for private health savings accounts, which primarily benefit the wealthy. A study from the federal Governmental Accountability Office showed the average adjusted gross income of HSA participants was $139,000 and nearly half of HSA participants reported withdrawing nothing from their HSA, evidence that it is serving as a tax shelter for wealthy participants.
 
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NigelTufnel said:
Which has exactly nothing to do with the Republican governor and Republican legislature cutting revenues by $117 million over the 2011-13 period. If you want to pretend that the Republicans haven't done anything to gin up a budget crisis, that's fine, but I don't think it's very funny.
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And spending $140 million in new special-interest spending that includes:

“• $25 million for an economic development fund for job creation that still has $73 million due to a lack of job creation. Walker is creating a $25 million hole which will not create or retain jobs.

“• $48 million for private health savings accounts, which primarily benefit the wealthy. A study from the federal Governmental Accountability Office showed the average adjusted gross income of HSA participants was $139,000 and nearly half of HSA participants reported withdrawing nothing from their HSA, evidence that it is serving as a tax shelter for wealthy participants.

“• $67 million for a tax shift plan, so ill-conceived that at best the benefit provided to ‘job creators’ would be less than a dollar a day per new job, and may be as little as 30 cents a day.”

State Rep. Mark Pocan, D-Madison, sums up this scheming accurately when he says: “In one fell swoop, Gov. Walker is trying to institute a sweeping radical and dangerous notion that will return Wisconsin to the days when land barons and railroad tycoons controlled the political elites in Madison.”

The bottom line is evident to anyone who cares to pay attention not to the spin but to the budget figures: Walker is manufacturing a fiscal “crisis” in order to achieve political goals.

Walker is not addressing a fiscal crisis.

He is not serving Wisconsin.

He is serving his own interest and those of the lobbyists who represent his campaign contributors.
 
there's a real easy solution to this public employee union problem.

fire them all. there are lots of people currently unemployed that would happily take a gov job just to get a paycheck.
 
The freak says:
Libertarians are the ones that want the people to have the most power. Not liberals.

Liberals are the ones, as I stated and you ignored, that want the GOVERNMENT to control more and the people to control less...

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UNLESS those 'people' belong to a union, and the GOVERNMENT is right wing.
 
Wisconsin is our own little Egypt. The media is now calling Walker, Hosni Walker.

SF, I was watching Ed Schultz last night, one of the few cable shows I will tune into, and he was the only one giving this issue any coverage, and a gentlemen from "The Nation" made a comment that he also knew Walker for over 20 years and he was shocked by this move. He said it was not the Scott Walker that he knows. I thought I would throw that in for you benefit. It seems your friend has changed.
 
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Bfgrn said:
You are a FRAUD...you are just another right wing Monica Lewinsky for the wealthy.
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ROFLMAO: Another 'right wing Monica Lewinsky'??? You truly are moronic.


Since his inauguration in early January, Walker has approved $140 million in new special-interest spending that includes:

• $48 million for private health savings accounts, which primarily benefit the wealthy. A study from the federal Governmental Accountability Office showed the average adjusted gross income of HSA participants was $139,000 and nearly half of HSA participants reported withdrawing nothing from their HSA, evidence that it is serving as a tax shelter for wealthy participants.
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Great... now show us what the MEDIAN income is. The average can be skewed dramatically by a few extremely wealthy people participating.

Also... Not withdrawing from and HSA doesn't equate to 'they just using it as a tax shelter'. Most people who have HSA's tend to be healthy. They don't NEED to withdraw from the HSA because they don't have health issues. I have had an HSA for the past 8 years. I have withdrawn from it two of those 8 years.
 
Rana said:
Wisconsin is our own little Egypt. The media is now calling Walker, Hosni Walker.

SF, I was watching Ed Schultz last night, one of the few cable shows I will tune into, and he was the only one giving this issue any coverage, and a gentlemen from "The Nation" made a comment that he also knew Walker for over 20 years and he was shocked by this move. He said it was not the Scott Walker that he knows. I thought I would throw that in for you benefit. It seems your friend has changed.
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No, he hasn't changed. The economy has. Scott acted in a very similar manner while with Milwaukee County. The economy worsened and now his proposals are adjusting to it. As I stated, several mutual friends worked on Scott's campaign. Many have worked with or for him for a decade.

As for the media.... yeah... who would have thought the media would stoop to such a level against a Republican.

Now even Obama is getting involved, once again, in local issues. Obama can't even get a handle on running the federal government, but he still injects himself into state politics. It would be somewhat understandable if it was Illinois. But this is ridiculous.
 
Superfreak said:
No, he hasn't changed. The economy has. Scott acted in a very similar manner while with Milwaukee County. The economy worsened and now his proposals are adjusting to it. As I stated, several mutual friends worked on Scott's campaign. Many have worked with or for him for a decade.

As for the media.... yeah... who would have thought the media would stoop to such a level against a Republican.

Now even Obama is getting involved, once again, in local issues. Obama can't even get a handle on running the federal government, but he still injects himself into state politics. It would be somewhat understandable if it was Illinois. But this is ridiculous.
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Don't get too blue over the media, Fox News loves him! Just turn on Fox.
 
Yeah, Obama is a disappointment in many ways, but most we won't agree upon, like his not backing the UN vote to condemn Israel and the Afghan and Iraq wars, plus GITMO and he flubbed single payer healthcare. He is not as bad as McCain would have been, believe me!

Boehner must be a great disappointment to you! ahahahahaha, what a lousy Speaker of the House, no wonder he hates Pelosi, she could get her done and he can only respond with "read my lips", ahahahahaha...I am still laughing over that one! and will for a couple of months.
 
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