It's Going Down In Wisconsin

cawacko said:
Isn't he less than two months into a four year term?
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Wisconsin is one of 18 states that allow recall elections. And Wisconsin has used it...

The citizens of Wisconsin are granted the authority to perform a recall election by the Wisconsin Constitution, Article VIII, Section 12 to all elective officers after the first year of the term for which the incumbent was elected.

* 1911 recall of Hiram Gill, mayor of Seattle, Washington[4]
* 1916 recall of J. W. Robinson, mayor of Boise, Idaho[5]
* 1921 recall of Lynn Frazier, governor of North Dakota
* 1983 recall of Michigan state senators Phil Mastin and David Serotkin due to their support for a state income tax hike. Loss of these two Democratic lawmakers, along with two special elections won by Republicans, flipped the state senate to GOP control, where it has remained ever since (as of January 2010.)[6]
* 1987 recall of Mike Boyle, mayor of Omaha, Nebraska.
* 1987 recall of James Holley, mayor of Portsmouth, Virginia
* 1994 recall of officials in River Vale, New Jersey: Mayor Walter Jones, Councilwoman Patricia Geier, and Councilman Bernard Salmon[7]
* 1995 recall of California State Assemblyman Paul Horcher
* 1995 recall of California State Assembly Speaker Doris Allen
* 1996 recall of Wisconsin State Senator George Petak[8]
* 2002 recall of Woodrow Stanley, mayor of Flint, Michigan.
* 2002 recall of multiple Milwaukee County, Wisconsin, elected county officials including Executive F. Thomas Ament (resigned before election); Board Chair Karen Ordinans; and Board Supervisors Penny Podell, LeAnn Launstein, David Jasenski, Kathy Arciszewski, James McGuigan, and Linda Ryan. All were recalled due to a retirement pension controversy.[9]
* 2003 recall of Gray Davis, governor of California
* 2003 recall of Wisconsin State Senator Gary George[8]
* 2005 recall of James E. West, mayor of Spokane, Washington.
* 2006 recall of Neil Marko, mayor of Roosevelt, New Jersey.
* 2010 recall of James Holley, mayor of Portsmouth, Virginia.
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Superfreak said:
I could care less about Beck. The teachers accomplish nothing by ditching school. Everyone knows their position on the bill. Everyone knows they don't want to give up the right to fuck over taxpayers.

But the politicians running and hiding is fucking pathetic.

The children are not learning about civics. They are learning that their teachers enjoy throwing tantrums.

sorry, but they have the ability to bargain for wages. If they think their other bene's are out of line, they can bargain for higher wages to compensate.

Bottom line, for far too long the public unions have gone without contributing to their health care and pensions in any meaningful way. They SAY they are willing to negotiate NOW that they are between the rock and hard spot. I lived in WI for ten years. I am very familiar with the attitude in ultra-liberal Madison. It is high time this happened.
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You hate teachers, okay, I get it.
 
Superfreak said:
Please link us to your data on the police, fire fighters and state troopers unions voting habits.

Next... they were exempt because it would make it more palatable to voters. Every time someone tries to modify public unions, the left shouts out the standard 'but they are first responders' and that little line works to squash reform pretty consistently. Walker knew that. So he is taking it piecemeal. Getting what he can done first. Then looking at the rest later.
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Bullshit! Pure and simple
 
Bfgrn said:
Wisconsin is one of 18 states that allow recall elections. And Wisconsin has used it...

The citizens of Wisconsin are granted the authority to perform a recall election by the Wisconsin Constitution, Article VIII, Section 12 to all elective officers after the first year of the term for which the incumbent was elected.

* 1911 recall of Hiram Gill, mayor of Seattle, Washington[4]
* 1916 recall of J. W. Robinson, mayor of Boise, Idaho[5]
* 1921 recall of Lynn Frazier, governor of North Dakota
* 1983 recall of Michigan state senators Phil Mastin and David Serotkin due to their support for a state income tax hike. Loss of these two Democratic lawmakers, along with two special elections won by Republicans, flipped the state senate to GOP control, where it has remained ever since (as of January 2010.)[6]
* 1987 recall of Mike Boyle, mayor of Omaha, Nebraska.
* 1987 recall of James Holley, mayor of Portsmouth, Virginia
* 1994 recall of officials in River Vale, New Jersey: Mayor Walter Jones, Councilwoman Patricia Geier, and Councilman Bernard Salmon[7]
* 1995 recall of California State Assemblyman Paul Horcher
* 1995 recall of California State Assembly Speaker Doris Allen
* 1996 recall of Wisconsin State Senator George Petak[8]
* 2002 recall of Woodrow Stanley, mayor of Flint, Michigan.
* 2002 recall of multiple Milwaukee County, Wisconsin, elected county officials including Executive F. Thomas Ament (resigned before election); Board Chair Karen Ordinans; and Board Supervisors Penny Podell, LeAnn Launstein, David Jasenski, Kathy Arciszewski, James McGuigan, and Linda Ryan. All were recalled due to a retirement pension controversy.[9]
* 2003 recall of Gray Davis, governor of California
* 2003 recall of Wisconsin State Senator Gary George[8]
* 2005 recall of James E. West, mayor of Spokane, Washington.
* 2006 recall of Neil Marko, mayor of Roosevelt, New Jersey.
* 2010 recall of James Holley, mayor of Portsmouth, Virginia.
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Well Mott was talking about him being a one term Governor. I'm assuming by that he meant serving the full fours years and then losing his re-election bid. Getting recalled is something different. So for the sake of argument let's say he serves a full term, no recall. Things can change so quickly in politics I find it hard to believe he'd have no chance at re-election in four years based on these first seven weeks.
 
Superfreak said:
Lets see... majority of unions donations go to dems. Majority of unions members vote dems. Yeah... we should just take your word for it that these particular unions in WI don't vote Dem.

Bottom line, you are full of shit.




LMAO.... dumbass.... you just spout off ignorant shit because you don't like it.

I know Scott Walker personally. We were at Marquette together and in several organizations together. I know EXACTLY what his intentions are. Several of our mutual friends from Marquette worked on his campaign as well.

You just are pissy because a Rep figured out that taking things piecemeal would work far better than trying to make a whole sale change. You and I both know that the Dems use the exact line I stated very effectively and that they are PISSED that it is currently unavailable to them.
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You know him personally, well. then, now I know he is a union buster working for the corporate scum! :loveu:
 
Superfreak said:
Democracy looks like teachers and students skipping school?
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They are protesting, which is their right, government is trying to take away their rights to bargain. Big, bad government...

"Walker didn’t mention the other component of the bill, which eliminates union negotiation for all public employees except police, firefighters and state patrol. Wages could be bargained for only up to the consumer price index."

http://lacrossetribune.com/news/local/article_ce64a664-3992-11e0-b2e8-001cc4c03286.html

The rest of the story and his explanation are in the article!
 
Topspin said:
Libtard teacher salaries are probably a fraction in countries less favorable to corporations.
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What the hell is wrong with you, why do you refer to teachers as libtards?

You actually believe there are no conservative teachers striking? You think all teachers are libtards?

Teachers aren't the villains, neither are the fire fighters, or other state workers.

We give tax breaks to millionaires but we grumble when it comes to our educators, and the rest of the middle class people who work for the state.
I don't understand American any longer...
 
Rana said:
which eliminates union negotiation for all public employees except police, firefighters and state patrol.
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this is the major problem right here. apparently ARMED government agents are too powerful to restrict their collective bargaining with the state that is supposed to rule them. yay for freedom.
 
Topspin said:
Libtard teacher salaries are probably a fraction in countries less favorable to corporations.
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Teacher Pay Around the World

The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development released a trove of fascinating statistics on education around the world on Tuesday. Given increasing interest in how well the American education system is preparing today’s students for tomorrow’s economy, let’s look at how measures of United States education stack up alongside the systems of our peer countries.

First let’s look at teachers. Compared to other developed countries, in the United States teachers generally spend more time teaching but apparently without an equivalent advantage in pay.

American teachers spend on average 1,080 hours teaching each year. Across the O.E.C.D., the average is 794 hours on primary education, 709 hours on lower secondary education, and 653 hours on upper secondary education general programs.

American teachers’ pay is more middling. The average public primary-school teacher who has worked 15 years and has received the minimum amount of training, for example, earns $43,633, compared to the O.E.C.D. average of $39,007.

Comparing each country’s teacher salaries to the wealth of that country makes United States educational salaries appear lower. In the United States, a teacher with 15 years of experience makes a salary that is 96 percent of the country’s gross domestic product per capita. Across the O.E.C.D., a teacher of equivalent experience makes 117 percent of G.D.P. per capita. At the high end of the scale, in Korea, the average teacher at this level makes a full 221 percent of the country’s G.D.P. per capita.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/09/teacher-pay-around-the-world/
 
We educate people to be dumb and do menial tasks then blame them when the economy fails.
Democracy can work, but all to often it is merely a sop for the unintelligent.
Stay happy people, go shopping!
 
Exactly as I said. The rest of the world lags our corporate sophistication. Yup and our teachers make more than theirs and more than their private sector workers. Lofl
 
cawacko said:
Sounds like the Democratic lawmakers didn't show up to work today as protest over the public employee union vote. The legislature was unable to hold the vote as a result.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110217/ap_on_re_us/us_wisconsin_budget_unions
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Democratic lawmakers didn't show up to work today as protest

Get that.....? Try it again ?

Democratic lawmakers didn't show up to work today as protest...

Think its time to actually get to talk about the point of the thread....

Lawmakers not showing up for work.....
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Democrats attempt to deny the public of their legislators duty to actually do what they are paid for....legislate

they should be removed from office for dereliction of duty and a special election held to replace them.....
 
Superfreak said:
Lets see... majority of unions donations go to dems. Majority of unions members vote dems. Yeah... we should just take your word for it that these particular unions in WI don't vote Dem.

Bottom line, you are full of shit.
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Not really.


Superfreak said:
LMAO.... dumbass.... you just spout off ignorant shit because you don't like it.

I know Scott Walker personally. We were at Marquette together and in several organizations together. I know EXACTLY what his intentions are. Several of our mutual friends from Marquette worked on his campaign as well.

You just are pissy because a Rep figured out that taking things piecemeal would work far better than trying to make a whole sale change. You and I both know that the Dems use the exact line I stated very effectively and that they are PISSED that it is currently unavailable to them.
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I don't give a shit what you claim to know about Walker's motives. You're full of shit and he's full of shit.

Here's an interesting tidbit:

The Senate majority leader, Scott Fitzgerald, who is ordering the state police to track down the wayward Democratic senators is the son of the head of the state police, Steve Fitzgerald, who in turn was appointed to the top spot by Walker. Steve Fitzgerald is also the father of the state's speaker of the House, Jeff Fitzgerald.
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Yeah, I'm sure Walker and his allies are going to get right to union busting the cops as part of their piecemeal approach. Sure.
 
NigelTufnel said:
Not really.




I don't give a shit what you claim to know about Walker's motives. You're full of shit and he's full of shit.

Here's an interesting tidbit:



Yeah, I'm sure Walker and his allies are going to get right to union busting the cops as part of their piecemeal approach. Sure.
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Here's another tidbit:

The nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau (LFB) concluded that the state would end the year with a surplus, so there is no need for a budget repair bill. Walker disputes those numbers, so he has submitted a budget repair bill that would strip collective bargaining rights from most state workers. Walker has excluded employees whose unions endorsed him in the 2010 election. ref

This guy is scum...
 
Mott the Hoople said:
It's over reach on Walker's part. There will definately be a political back lash on this. It's stupid too. The GOP gained control of the Wisconsin State House AND the Governors office since god knows when and Walker has just made sure that it won't last long.
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and if they didn't do it, some liberal would later say "oh, the Republicans controlled the administrative and legislative branches in 2011 and THEY didn't solve the problem, did they!"..........
 
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