ITs easy to fool some people....

Damocles said:
Man, this is going to be one fun election cycle!
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There's never been an election like this, that I can recall, with someone like Trump. I would not be surprised if a survey was taken of people on the street that more people knew who Donald Trump was than Joe Biden. So throw in his celebrity and wealth along with his brash controversial style and you definitely have something we haven't seen before.
 
Leonthecat said:
Trump is also correct when he says that if Raphael Cruz gets the nomination there will be a court case brought by Democrats challenging his eligibility.
Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.
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LOL. That would be awesome, the Dems would get to all sound like birthers and would be just as relevant.
 
Damocles said:
LOL. That would be awesome, the Dems would get to all sound like birthers and would be just as relevant.
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Not really. Raphael Cruz has no evidence that he was born in the USA. It's not an accusation of where he was born. It is purely a constitutional legal issue.
Natural born and naturalized are different.
 
Leonthecat said:
Not really. Raphael Cruz has no evidence that he was born in the USA. It's not an accusation of where he was born. It is purely a constitutional legal issue.
Natural born and naturalized are different.
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true that....you were not natural born.......you were spawned......
 
cawacko said:
That's why my first impression of his statement was different because he was talking about both groups. If he said minorities only that would be one thing but he used the two groups that are among the largest Democratic supporters.
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Maybe STY will explain that part.
 
Leonthecat said:
What does the GOP do for working class and minorities?
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This is the essence of the Trump revolution; to tell the mainstream corporate-owned and managed wing of the GOP that we True Conservatives are going to excise them out of the party, or at worst, marginalize them to the point where their influence is significantly limited, so that the working, middle classes and minorities will be again be a focus of the party. Remember until the 1960s it was the democrats who were preventing blacks from voting, and it was the republican party that fought against slavery. Go learn your history.

You slipped and used the term democratic party instead of democrat party. Republicans generally frown on proper grammar. LOL
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Actually, what I've noticed is that it is the left that prefers to deflect from the topic with idiotic, deflective nonsense like you when they have exhausted their tiny resevoir of debate points, just as you have here.

You know that the democrats have royally fucked over working class blacks and the middle class in this country for decades, pretending to support them but actually punishing them - but you and many others on the left are either too stupid to see it, or won't admit it has been going on for so long.
 
cawacko said:
Dead people have won elections before.
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No one can prove Ralph Hall drew a breath during his last term.
RalphHall_SN02_0.jpg
 
transwarpdrive said:
This is the essence of the Trump revolution; to tell the mainstream corporate-owned and managed wing of the GOP that we True Conservatives are going to excise them out of the party, or at worst, marginalize them to the point where their influence is significantly limited, so that the working, middle classes and minorities will be again be a focus of the party. Remember until the 1960s it was the democrats who were preventing blacks from voting, and it was the republican party that fought against slavery. Go learn your history.



Actually, what I've noticed is that it is the left that prefers to deflect from the topic with idiotic, deflective nonsense like you when they have exhausted their tiny resevoir of debate points, just as you have here.

You know that the democrats have royally fucked over working class blacks and the middle class in this country for decades, pretending to support them but actually punishing them - but you and many others on the left are either too stupid to see it, or won't admit it has been going on for so long.
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The Trump revolution?
There's another word for it.
Minorities vote Democratic for survival.
 
transwarpdrive said:
This is the essence of the Trump revolution; to tell the mainstream corporate-owned and managed wing of the GOP that we True Conservatives are going to excise them out of the party, or at worst, marginalize them to the point where their influence is significantly limited, so that the working, middle classes and minorities will be again be a focus of the party. Remember until the 1960s it was the democrats who were preventing blacks from voting, and it was the republican party that fought against slavery. Go learn your history.



Actually, what I've noticed is that it is the left that prefers to deflect from the topic with idiotic, deflective nonsense like you when they have exhausted their tiny resevoir of debate points, just as you have here.

You know that the democrats have royally fucked over working class blacks and the middle class in this country for decades, pretending to support them but actually punishing them - but you and many others on the left are either too stupid to see it, or won't admit it has been going on for so long.
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You're talking a MAJOR change in the party with that statement. Minorities hate Trump for instance and he has his strongest support from blue collar whites. How do you see those two groups coming together?
 
Leonthecat said:
The Trump revolution? There's another word for it.Minorities vote Democratic for survival.
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Which minorities? The illegal aliens? Or the working classes who see right through the transparent lies of the democratic party, who have been fucking over working class blacks and whites by importing huge numbers of illegals, and the middle class with lunatic trade deals/H1B job theft programs?

No rational, mature adult can look at what the democratic party has done to the working and middle classes over the past 50 years and believe that they are in any way supportive of them.
 
tell us on what basis Of fact you claim voters are too stupid to understand what they should vote for?


you don believe democracy works huh
 
transwarpdrive said:
Which minorities? The illegal aliens? Or the working classes who see right through the transparent lies of the democratic party, who have been fucking over working class blacks and whites by importing huge numbers of illegals, and the middle class with lunatic trade deals/H1B job theft programs?

No rational, mature adult can look at what the democratic party has done to the working and middle classes over the past 50 years and believe that they are in any way supportive of them.
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Funny then, that the minorities always do.Lol
 
the right likes to insult black voters non stop for seeing that they are the racist party who hates them
 
cawacko said:
You're talking a MAJOR change in the party with that statement. Minorities hate Trump for instance and he has his strongest support from blue collar whites. How do you see those two groups coming together?
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Not true at all; the republican party is comprised of 3 parts the first two of which have no business being in it: the religious/social conservatives, the business/US chamber of commerce wing - and the core of the party, the true small government/low-tax conservatives.

As long as that 3rd section - the business wing - is included in the republican party, the GOP will never be a real conservative, rational party. The business wing is for endless illegal immigrants (slave labor) which destroys the social fabric of the country and the working class, it is for corporate welfare which is fundamentally wrong unless for true R&D, it is for endless wars to fund the MIC, and for monopolist corporations like Verizon/Time Warner which drive the cost of cell phones and cable TV to far higher levels, with worse product, than elsewhere around the world.

If the GOP were to outright expel the business and religious wings, take a centrist position on social issues like abortion, and a conservative one on fiscal/tax issues and immigration, it would be the majority party for the next 100 years. But the current leadership is beholden to the fat campaign donations from large corporations, so it would rather be a fragmented, opposition party than a majority, successful one.

This election is a revolt of the rank-and-file, True Conservative republicans telling the so-called "mainstream" corporate republicans to fuck off and that they are not running things any more.

Remember the Reagan Democrats; you have huge number of working/middle class people in the US who are financially very conservative, anti-illegal alien, anti-public employee union, yet have been ignored by both parties for decades now.

This is what scares the shit out of the NYT and the rest of the leftist media who has cheerleaded for the democratic party for decades, and the national democratic party, that the vast middle of working classes and independents - by far the largest voting block - would recognize how the democrats have lied to them for years about "helping" them, and the corporate republicans are a cancer in the republican party, and finally have a real, independent leader like Trump to rally around who cannot be bought or intimidated. THAT is why the corporate republican trash leading the party for so long like Mitch McConnell are so aggressively attacking Trump on one side, while the leftist filth media is doing so on the other. Trump represents a major re-alignment of the vast working/middle class perspective on the parties, one they cannot control.

The bottom line is that the public is finally rebelling against the rigid, corporate-owned and managed 2 party system, and if Trump did not come along at this time, he would have been invented.

The fact of the matter is that Trump is financially conservative but anti-corporate, and socially liberal but anti-illegal aliens, a perfect match for the largest voting block in the country, which has both parties panicking.
 
Damocles said:
LOL. That would be awesome, the Dems would get to all sound like birthers and would be just as relevant.
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I have to say, the claims that Cruz is not eligible, although silly, are more legitimate than those who claimed President Obama, who was born in Hawaii, was ineligible.


Its entertaining that its Trump who trumpeted both claims. Trump even said he had proof he was going to release... some day. For the life of me, I cannot understand why Trump's republican opponents don't come out with reels and reels of footage of trump stepping in it over the years.

Forgotten promises, idiotic statements, arrogant claims, misogynistic idiocy... there must be hours of such footage.
 
transwarpdrive said:
Not true at all; the republican party is comprised of 3 parts the first two of which have no business being in it: the religious/social conservatives, the business/US chamber of commerce wing - and the core of the party, the true small government/low-tax conservatives.

As long as that 3rd section - the business wing - is included in the republican party, the GOP will never be a real conservative, rational party. The business wing is for endless illegal immigrants (slave labor) which destroys the social fabric of the country and the working class, it is for corporate welfare which is fundamentally wrong unless for true R&D, it is for endless wars to fund the MIC, and for monopolist corporations like Verizon/Time Warner which drive the cost of cell phones and cable TV to far higher levels, with worse product, than elsewhere around the world.

If the GOP were to outright expel the business and religious wings, take a centrist position on social issues like abortion, and a conservative one on fiscal/tax issues and immigration, it would be the majority party for the next 100 years. But the current leadership is beholden to the fat campaign donations from large corporations, so it would rather be a fragmented, opposition party than a majority, successful one.

This election is a revolt of the rank-and-file, True Conservative republicans telling the so-called "mainstream" corporate republicans to fuck off and that they are not running things any more.

Remember the Reagan Democrats; you have huge number of working/middle class people in the US who are financially very conservative, anti-illegal alien, anti-public employee union, yet have been ignored by both parties for decades now.

This is what scares the shit out of the NYT and the rest of the leftist media who has cheerleaded for the democratic party for decades, and the national democratic party, that the vast middle of working classes and independents - by far the largest voting block - would recognize how the democrats have lied to them for years about "helping" them, and the corporate republicans are a cancer in the republican party, and finally have a real, independent leader like Trump to rally around who cannot be bought or intimidated. THAT is why the corporate republican trash leading the party for so long like Mitch McConnell are so aggressively attacking Trump on one side, while the leftist filth media is doing so on the other. Trump represents a major re-alignment of the vast working/middle class perspective on the parties, one they cannot control.

The bottom line is that the public is finally rebelling against the rigid, corporate-owned and managed 2 party system, and if Trump did not come along at this time, he would have been invented.

The fact of the matter is that Trump is financially conservative but anti-corporate, and socially liberal but anti-illegal aliens, a perfect match for the largest voting block in the country, which has both parties panicking.
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The founder and head of the Trump corporation is anti-corporate?
You so funny.
 
transwarpdrive said:
Not true at all; the republican party is comprised of 3 parts the first two of which have no business being in it: the religious/social conservatives, the business/US chamber of commerce wing - and the core of the party, the true small government/low-tax conservatives.

As long as that 3rd section - the business wing - is included in the republican party, the GOP will never be a real conservative, rational party. The business wing is for endless illegal immigrants (slave labor) which destroys the social fabric of the country and the working class, it is for corporate welfare which is fundamentally wrong unless for true R&D, it is for endless wars to fund the MIC, and for monopolist corporations like Verizon/Time Warner which drive the cost of cell phones and cable TV to far higher levels, with worse product, than elsewhere around the world.

If the GOP were to outright expel the business and religious wings, take a centrist position on social issues like abortion, and a conservative one on fiscal/tax issues and immigration, it would be the majority party for the next 100 years. But the current leadership is beholden to the fat campaign donations from large corporations, so it would rather be a fragmented, opposition party than a majority, successful one.

This election is a revolt of the rank-and-file, True Conservative republicans telling the so-called "mainstream" corporate republicans to fuck off and that they are not running things any more.

Remember the Reagan Democrats; you have huge number of working/middle class people in the US who are financially very conservative, anti-illegal alien, anti-public employee union, yet have been ignored by both parties for decades now.

This is what scares the shit out of the NYT and the rest of the leftist media who has cheerleaded for the democratic party for decades, and the national democratic party, that the vast middle of working classes and independents - by far the largest voting block - would recognize how the democrats have lied to them for years about "helping" them, and the corporate republicans are a cancer in the republican party, and finally have a real, independent leader like Trump to rally around who cannot be bought or intimidated. THAT is why the corporate republican trash leading the party for so long like Mitch McConnell are so aggressively attacking Trump on one side, while the leftist filth media is doing so on the other. Trump represents a major re-alignment of the vast working/middle class perspective on the parties, one they cannot control.

The bottom line is that the public is finally rebelling against the rigid, corporate-owned and managed 2 party system, and if Trump did not come along at this time, he would have been invented.

The fact of the matter is that Trump is financially conservative but anti-corporate, and socially liberal but anti-illegal aliens, a perfect match for the largest voting block in the country, which has both parties panicking.
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The two largest blocks of the Republican Party are social conservatives and libertarian leaning pro-market folks. Take away the abortion issue and you've lost huge amounts of the party.

And you left out the issue of minority voters. Republicans can't win today with white voters only. You throw out the white evangelicals to whom abortion is the number one or top two issue and you won't win one election let alone win elections for 100 years.
 
Jarod said:
I have to say, the claims that Cruz is not eligible, although silly, are more legitimate than those who claimed President Obama, who was born in Hawaii, was ineligible.

Its entertaining that its Trump who trumpeted both claims. Trump even said he had proof he was going to release... some day. For the life of me, I cannot understand why Trump's republican opponents don't come out with reels and reels of footage of trump stepping in it over the years.

Forgotten promises, idiotic statements, arrogant claims, misogynistic idiocy... there must be hours of such footage.
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That the liberals relentlessly focus on stupid, deflective crap instead of Trump's signature issue of deporting all illegals, and preventing any more from coming, is symbolic how scared they are that he might win.

The liberals (and equally useless corporate republicans) know that the vast middle of independents and True Conservatives recognize how the importation of the illegals has been an utter disaster for this country; it has destroyed whole industries of jobs where the working class blacks used to earn a solid living, it has destroyed neighborhoods with the importation of drugs, prostitution and gang violence, it has drained budgets of cities and school systems, and damaged the fabric of society where the public's belief in the rule of law and the requirement of government to follow the laws has been shaken.

If the government can selectively choose which laws to follow and find excuses not to apply certain ones for political expedience, why can't the public stop following laws they find inconvenient? The liberal refusal to acknowledge these realities as a means of attaining additional voters is a sign of psychosis, that they do not give a shit about the country - just like the democrats and a portion of the republican party - only votes and retaining power matter.
 
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