Its been awhile

klaatu

Fusionist
Last time I posted here I believe the US National Debt was less than 3 trillion dollars, it is now at 13 trillion; Unemployment was less than 5% and it is now at 9.7 ...

We have let the Children run the Congress for 4 years and the White House almost 2 ...time for the Adults to take the steering wheel ......
 
Last time I posted here I believe the US National Debt was less than 3 trillion dollars, it is now at 13 trillion; Unemployment was less than 5% and it is now at 9.7 ...

We have let the Children run the Congress for 4 years and the White House almost 2 ...time for the Adults to take the steering wheel ......

No its time for the International Bankers to establish world government. People have trusted governments for far to long and they keeping letting people down all the time. The American people and the people of the world at large need to see that everyone would be better off under a new world order controlled by bankers who would ensure global prosperity. Its time to give control of the global economy to the experts.
 
No its time for the International Bankers to establish world government. People have trusted governments for far to long and they keeping letting people down all the time. The American people and the people of the world at large need to see that everyone would be better off under a new world order controlled by bankers who would ensure global prosperity. Its time to give control of the global economy to the experts.

Actually, what it's time to do, is marginalize kooks and nuts such as yourself, who offer very little substantive thought to the debate, opting to display your ignorance and petulance instead. The American people are tired of hearing your shit, and while you still have the freedom to spew it, we aren't obligated to listen.

Bankers deal with money, that is their product. When the economy is robust, and times are good, bankers make a lot of money on their product. When times are bad, they don't make as much money, and may even lose money. They are not the cause of our problems with the economy, they never have been. They are a diversion for you to use, to distract from what has been happening, mainly due to an incompetent administration who has ZERO private sector business experience.

Just step back and look at where you've taken the debate... You are essentially saying we should all enjoy eating shit sandwiches forever, because it means the greedy bankers aren't making as much money! Your hate and disdain for capitalism has taken you overboard from the sanity ship. You now want to cannibalize the hand that feeds you! Amazingly incredible!
 
I know many people across this country are concerned about what the future holds for themselves, for their families, and for the economy as a whole.

As I’ve said from the start, there’s no quick fix to the worst recession we've experienced since the Great Depression.

The hard truth is that it took years to create our current economic problems, and it will take more time than any of us would like to repair the damage.

Millions of our neighbors are living with that painfully every day.

But, I want all Americans to remind themselves there are better days ahead.

Even after this economic crisis, our markets remain the most dynamic in the world.

Our workers are still the most productive.

We remain the global leader in innovation, in discovery, in entrepreneurship.

Now, the month I took office, we were losing 750,000 jobs a month.

New figures show the economy produced 67,000 private sector jobs in August, the eighth consecutive month of private job growth.

Additionally, the numbers for July were revised upward to 107,000.

Now, that’s positive news, and it reflects the steps we’ve already taken to break the back of this recession.

But it’s not nearly good enough.

That’s why we need to take further steps to create jobs and keep the economy growing, including extending tax cuts for the middle class and investing in the areas of our economy where the potential for job growth is greatest.

In the weeks ahead, I’ll be discussing some of these ideas in more detail.

But one thing we also have to do right now, one thing we have a responsibility to do right now, is to lift up our small businesses, which accounted for over 60 percent of job losses in the final months of last year.

That's why once again, I’m calling on Congress to make passing a small business jobs bill its first order of business.
 
I know many people across this country are concerned about what the future holds for themselves, for their families, and for the economy as a whole.

As I’ve said from the start, there’s no quick fix to the worst recession we've experienced since the Great Depression.

The hard truth is that it took years to create our current economic problems, and it will take more time than any of us would like to repair the damage.

Millions of our neighbors are living with that painfully every day.

But, I want all Americans to remind themselves there are better days ahead.

Even after this economic crisis, our markets remain the most dynamic in the world.

Our workers are still the most productive.

We remain the global leader in innovation, in discovery, in entrepreneurship.

Now, the month I took office, we were losing 750,000 jobs a month.

New figures show the economy produced 67,000 private sector jobs in August, the eighth consecutive month of private job growth.

Additionally, the numbers for July were revised upward to 107,000.

Now, that’s positive news, and it reflects the steps we’ve already taken to break the back of this recession.

But it’s not nearly good enough.

That’s why we need to take further steps to create jobs and keep the economy growing, including extending tax cuts for the middle class and investing in the areas of our economy where the potential for job growth is greatest.

In the weeks ahead, I’ll be discussing some of these ideas in more detail.

But one thing we also have to do right now, one thing we have a responsibility to do right now, is to lift up our small businesses, which accounted for over 60 percent of job losses in the final months of last year.

That's why once again, I’m calling on Congress to make passing a small business jobs bill its first order of business.

You lie!
 
When was the debt $3 Trillion?

Oh - and the adults that you speak of started the Iraq war & presided over the greatest economic collapse in decades.

Just sayin'.
 
Yeah, I'm thinking it had to be closer to 6-8 Trillion, seeing as how we entered the millenium at about that much...

It was at $3 Trillion in 1990. It was at $10 Trillion when GW left office.

So, I guess klaatu hasn't been here in awhile.
 
No its time for the International Bankers to establish world government. People have trusted governments for far to long and they keeping letting people down all the time. The American people and the people of the world at large need to see that everyone would be better off under a new world order controlled by bankers who would ensure global prosperity. Its time to give control of the global economy to the experts.

NO. The experts are just elitists who want more control, and they wish to permanently bifurcate all societies into a small elite who control everything, and the other 95% percent guilted for breathing.

New World Order = Internationalist e Fascism.

It's a bad idea.
 
I can’t lay total blame on Obama for the mess that we are in because he isn’t the one that put that 2000 page Health Care Scam together.., that was Pelosi and Reid. However, we must remember this, a kiss is still a kiss and as time goes by the President's signature on that bill is a big 'ol stain that’s going to follow and haunt him for the rest of his life.

How did we get here? As its been stated several times on this board... a multitude of events got us here. Many have tried to warn us but we didn’t listen. Ron Paul is the most recent and voice I remember, giving us several warning signs. Bankers abusing loose regulations, Wall St. speculation, irresponsible lending, irresponsible borrowing, 2 Wars, An historic Natural disaster trend, Oil speculation. Democrats and Republicans alike were and still are responsible. When Republicans took over in 94 they acted like Conservative Republicans and together with Clinton balanced a budget. It was during this period of the Tech Boom and great prosperity that Clinton decided to push an initiative that had its heart in the right place but lacked monetary sense. In 1994 Clinton with his HUD Secretary Henry Cisneros, devised the National Homeownership Strategy, a plan that called for near zero down payments and at its center piece was a goal to drastically increase Homeownership across America, regardless of income and credit history.

During the decade of The 90's, the tech boom had evolved into the 90's bubble which burst near the end of the decade. The first sign that something wasn’t right. Just as Americans nation wide felt the hard swift kick of their Homes real value coming to light in 2006-7, Over priced and worthless paper tech stocks crashed and burned by the end of the 90's. Within a 10 year period our Free Markets felt the impact of over value and irresponsible speculation within the two most dependable areas’ of financial gain; Stock Market and the Rea Estate Market. In the real world, out of control greed was digging its claws into the fabric of American Retirement Plans.

In many ways Clinton was handing off an overall economy that was a rapidly growing bubble destined to burst. To begin his first term and start the decade, G W was a victim of a shaky economy, driven by trembles of the tech bubble burst, out of control oil prices and Corporate Scandals, and within a year he was face with an unprecedented attack on his Country, And to follow was an unprecedented period of natural disasters, 2 Wars, Out of Control Wall St Speculation and in many ways poor judgment and his lack of sticking to core Conservative Principles. Had he stuck to Conservative Principles, he would have not gone as far as he did in Iraq and he would not have expanded Medicare with a Prescription program that resulted in the largest expansion of Welfare since LBJ. Under Bush we also had the largest expansion of Govt since LBJ. Clearly not Conservative Principles. Meanwhile the Real Estate Bubble Continues to grow under the stewardship of Fred, Fanny, Barney and Dodd.

It was during Bush' 2nd term when we had begun to feel the trembles of the earth quake that was to become the collapse of Real Estate and eventually our banking system. During this period, we were fighting 2 Wars and cleaning up the rubble from several natural disasters across the Country. Never before was FEMA this damn busy! All this was taking its toll on Americans, through fast rising Insurance Rates on their homes along with rising Real Estate Taxes adding to their monthly mortgage costs. China and India's economies were growing at an accelerated pace allowing for out of control speculation on Wall St, driving oil prices through the roof. This resulted in adding an additional financial burden on Americans. The burden of high oil prices were felt everywhere, food, clothes, home heating, business heating and transportation, Illegal immigration into the Country was also adding an additional burden on the Nations Health Care System. States all along the international border were and still are faced with the challenge of giving free medical care to undumented citizens, adding weight to the financial burden of our Nations Health Care System.

It was the perfect storm

By the end of Bush' second term to put it bluntly, the shit hit the fan. He was faced with the prospect of a complete financial collapse, he and his Economic Team came up with The Troubled Asset Relief Program, commonly referred to as TARP or RCP,he would purchase assets and equity from financial institutions to strengthen its financial sector. This was the first bail out. The second was when Obama took over .. another 800 billion dollar bailout....commonly refrfered to as Bush’s Plan Resurrected. Obama then came up with yet another 800 billion dollar program call the Stimulus Bill. A plan filled with unscrupulous targets. Money eventually used to buy Congressional Attention for future support on what was to become the Health Care Scam and Financial Reform Act. The money went to such noble projects like replacing the windows of Federal buildings no longer in use. Expanding the IRS, because hell ...think of all the new TAX collection we are going to need in recouping all of this spending.

Obama wasn’t through yet; hell he was on roll that would make Carl Marx blush. He decided that the best bet for our Country was to get into the Automotive Business. We not only would have a fair share in our Banking Industry we would also become primary owners of what was formally known as one of the big 3. This led into designing Presidential legislation that would allow for our Country to take over any business showing signs of failure and that we deem to big to fail. OHHH THAT OBAMA IS A GRAN Ol SOCIALIST. .... !!!!

So..how did we get here? That’s pretty much it. Greed? Yes; Irresponsibility? Yes; Uncontrollable events? Yes; Ineptness in the White House? A BIG YES
 
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The short term nature of our stock markets and elections cycle reward bubble making over real economic growth.

Plus the insanity of globalization doesn't help either.
 
I can’t lay total blame on Obama for the mess that we are in because he isn’t the one that put that 2000 page Health Care Scam together.., that was Pelosi and Reid. However, we must remember this, a kiss is still a kiss and as time goes by the President's signature on that bill is a big 'ol stain that’s going to follow and haunt him for the rest of his life.

How did we get here? As its been stated several times on this board... a multitude of events got us here. Many have tried to warn us but we didn’t listen. Ron Paul is the most recent and voice I remember, giving us several warning signs. Bankers abusing loose regulations, Wall St. speculation, irresponsible lending, irresponsible borrowing, 2 Wars, An historic Natural disaster trend, Oil speculation. Democrats and Republicans alike were and still are responsible. When Republicans took over in 94 they acted like Conservative Republicans and together with Clinton balanced a budget. It was during this period of the Tech Boom and great prosperity that Clinton decided to push an initiative that had its heart in the right place but lacked monetary sense. In 1994 Clinton with his HUD Secretary Henry Cisneros, devised the National Homeownership Strategy, a plan that called for near zero down payments and at its center piece was a goal to drastically increase Homeownership across America, regardless of income and credit history.

During the decade of The 90's, the tech boom had evolved into the 90's bubble which burst near the end of the decade. The first sign that something wasn’t right. Just as Americans nation wide felt the hard swift kick of their Homes real value coming to light in 2006-7, Over priced and worthless paper tech stocks crashed and burned by the end of the 90's. Within a 10 year period our Free Markets felt the impact of over value and irresponsible speculation within the two most dependable areas’ of financial gain; Stock Market and the Rea Estate Market. In the real world, out of control greed was digging its claws into the fabric of American Retirement Plans.

In many ways Clinton was handing off an overall economy that was a rapidly growing bubble destined to burst. To begin his first term and start the decade, G W was a victim of a shaky economy, driven by trembles of the tech bubble burst, out of control oil prices and Corporate Scandals, and within a year he was face with an unprecedented attack on his Country, And to follow was an unprecedented period of natural disasters, 2 Wars, Out of Control Wall St Speculation and in many ways poor judgment and his lack of sticking to core Conservative Principles. Had he stuck to Conservative Principles, he would have not gone as far as he did in Iraq and he would not have expanded Medicare with a Prescription program that resulted in the largest expansion of Welfare since LBJ. Under Bush we also had the largest expansion of Govt since LBJ. Clearly not Conservative Principles. Meanwhile the Real Estate Bubble Continues to grow under the stewardship of Fred, Fanny, Barney and Dodd.

It was during Bush' 2nd term when we had begun to feel the trembles of the earth quake that was to become the collapse of Real Estate and eventually our banking system. During this period, we were fighting 2 Wars and cleaning up the rubble from several natural disasters across the Country. Never before was FEMA this damn busy! All this was taking its toll on Americans, through fast rising Insurance Rates on their homes along with rising Real Estate Taxes adding to their monthly mortgage costs. China and India's economies were growing at an accelerated pace allowing for out of control speculation on Wall St, driving oil prices through the roof. This resulted in adding an additional financial burden on Americans. The burden of high oil prices were felt everywhere, food, clothes, home heating, business heating and transportation, Illegal immigration into the Country was also adding an additional burden on the Nations Health Care System. States all along the international border were and still are faced with the challenge of giving free medical care to undumented citizens, adding weight to the financial burden of our Nations Health Care System.

It was the perfect storm

By the end of Bush' second term to put it bluntly, the shit hit the fan. He was faced with the prospect of a complete financial collapse, he and his Economic Team came up with The Troubled Asset Relief Program, commonly referred to as TARP or RCP,he would purchase assets and equity from financial institutions to strengthen its financial sector. This was the first bail out. The second was when Obama took over .. another 800 billion dollar bailout....commonly refrfered to as Bush’s Plan Resurrected. Obama then came up with yet another 800 billion dollar program call the Stimulus Bill. A plan filled with unscrupulous targets. Money eventually used to buy Congressional Attention for future support on what was to become the Health Care Scam and Financial Reform Act. The money went to such noble projects like replacing the windows of Federal buildings no longer in use. Expanding the IRS, because hell ...think of all the new TAX collection we are going to need in recouping all of this spending.

Obama wasn’t through yet; hell he was on roll that would make Carl Marx blush. He decided that the best bet for our Country was to get into the Automotive Business. We not only would have a fair share in our Banking Industry we would also become primary owners of what was formally known as one of the big 3. This led into designing Presidential legislation that would allow for our Country to take over any business showing signs of failure and that we deem to big to fail. OHHH THAT OBAMA IS A GRAN Ol SOCIALIST. .... !!!!

So..how did we get here? That’s pretty much it. Greed? Yes; Irresponsibility? Yes; Uncontrollable events? Yes; Ineptness in the White House? A BIG YES
Nice to see you're still a Republican apologist Klaat.
 
Last time I posted here I believe the US National Debt was less than 3 trillion dollars, it is now at 13 trillion; Unemployment was less than 5% and it is now at 9.7 ...

We have let the Children run the Congress for 4 years and the White House almost 2 ...time for the Adults to take the steering wheel ......
Adults in politics, where, this I have got to see! Name one adult for the good old warty one!
 
No its time for the International Bankers to establish world government. People have trusted governments for far to long and they keeping letting people down all the time. The American people and the people of the world at large need to see that everyone would be better off under a new world order controlled by bankers who would ensure global prosperity. Its time to give control of the global economy to the experts.
IMF

Stands for I'm Fucked

Yes, let bankers rule the world, by all means necessary, but if you check, I think in some form or fashion they already do.
 
NO. The experts are just elitists who want more control, and they wish to permanently bifurcate all societies into a small elite who control everything, and the other 95% percent guilted for breathing.

New World Order = Internationalist e Fascism.

It's a bad idea.
I am reading The Eliminationists: How Hate Talk Radicalized the American Right and I see the idea being sown by groups I wasn't even aware, wolves in sheep clothing. The New World Order, not a good thing! but I am one of the liberals that the right is trying to demonize so excuse me.
 
I am reading The Eliminationists: How Hate Talk Radicalized the American Right and I see the idea being sown by groups I wasn't even aware, wolves in sheep clothing. The New World Order, not a good thing! but I am one of the liberals that the right is trying to demonize so excuse me.

And the left demonizes the right. You need to break out of the left/right hate tension. There are elements of both sides that are pushing the new world order.
 
Nice to see you're still a Republican apologist Klaat.


Well Mott... if I recall you were one of the more rational people on the left side of the spectrum... if thats possible. I dont believe you are an apologist, I believe you are man enough to admit:

Since 2006, your side of the fence has laid one egg after another... first it was naming the wicked witch of the west; Pelosi, as Speaker of the House... unquestionably the worst Speaker ever... I wont even bend here. She is the biggest bust of a Speaker in my lifetime. Good "ol Tip O'Neill (one of the best) has to be rolling over in his grave. Where do we begin with her? The 18,000 a mos office or shoving the biggest scam down the throats of America ....? One F*^K up after another. Together with Reid, they will be the single biggest reasons the GOP takes back the Congress.

How about their partner in crime? The most inept unprepared President ever...? Shoot...call Bush what you want ...this guy makes W look like one of the founding fathers.. He is what he is... a Community Organizer that somehow parlayed his way into the most Powerful Position in the world.. I guess thats what George Soros money can do for a person. The Democrats managed to litter the White House with Chicago\Eastern Euro thuggery. They are an 'effin embarrassment ..
 
Well Mott... if I recall you were one of the more rational people on the left side of the spectrum... if thats possible. I dont believe you are an apologist, I believe you are man enough to admit:

Since 2006, your side of the fence has laid one egg after another... first it was naming the wicked witch of the west; Pelosi, as Speaker of the House... unquestionably the worst Speaker ever... I wont even bend here. She is the biggest bust of a Speaker in my lifetime. Good "ol Tip O'Neill (one of the best) has to be rolling over in his grave. Where do we begin with her? The 18,000 a mos office or shoving the biggest scam down the throats of America ....? One F*^K up after another. Together with Reid, they will be the single biggest reasons the GOP takes back the Congress.

How about their partner in crime? The most inept unprepared President ever...? Shoot...call Bush what you want ...this guy makes W look like one of the founding fathers.. He is what he is... a Community Organizer that somehow parlayed his way into the most Powerful Position in the world.. I guess thats what George Soros money can do for a person. The Democrats managed to litter the White House with Chicago\Eastern Euro thuggery. They are an 'effin embarrassment ..


So unless you agree with Grade-A Republican bullshit you are an apologist? Interesting.
 
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