It was not lying to the VP that got him...

Jarod said:
Yes, and we should have elected a president who understood that.
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he's used to loyalty from employees. The DC bureaucrats are loyal only to their own agenda.

There is nothing but treachery about - the Dems are just the partisan face;
the resentment to outsiders is institutional
 
anatta said:
Trump just Tweets out "the real story here is why so many leaks"-

the real story here is the hostility to a Russian reset.
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So... if the truth had not leaked, he would have kept Flynn?


In a transparent administration leaked would not matter.
I can tell Rump why so many leaks, its due to his management style and angry lashing out at different organizations.
 
anatta said:
he's used to loyalty from employees. The DC bureaucrats are loyal only to their own agenda.

There is nothing but treachery about - the Dems are just the partisan face;
the resentment to outsiders is institutional
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And only someone who understands that can safely and effectively run our nation.
Only someone who understands that can work to change it.
 
Unless its State Secrets that harm the people, leaks are almost always a good thing.
 
Jarod said:
So... if the truth had not leaked, he would have kept Flynn?
In a transparent administration leaked would not matter.
I can tell Rump why so many leaks, its due to his management style and angry lashing out at different organizations.
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There are no transparent administrations/ no it's not from his appointees -it's from the permanent insiders-
what they call the "Deep State" (IC peeps) coupled with leftover Obamatrons.

Trump needs to stop thinking Obama is his friend.
 
I would like to see evidence that Flynn lied to Pence.
I don't believe that for one minute.

I think Pence is in collusion....like Scooter Libby taking the fall for Cheney illegally and immorally outing a C.I.A agent.
 
anatta said:
you are endorsing Nixonianism? you may be right.
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No, I am not suggesting the President engage in such behavior, I am suggesting the president must understand that such is the way it is, and only someone why understands the issue can begin to fix it. It is not a problem that can be corrected in four or eight years, it will take longer, but it can be started.

Trump does not understand how Washington works, he really only understands how a family business that he inherited from his father works.
 
Rune said:
I would like to see evidence that Flynn lied to Pence.
I don't believe that for one minute.

I think Pence is in collusion....like Scooter Libby taking the fall for Cheney illegally and immorally outing a C.I.A agent.
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colluding what? a Russian reset?..lol
 
anatta said:
for sure Flynn was way too cavalier ( read lying) to the VP.
But this isn't about Flynn -he'sjust a convenient fall guy to damage Trump.

Trump is the target, and he damn well better realize it. There are powerful forces that want a Russian Boogyman to stay.
"If you want a friend in Washington -get a dog" (Harry Truman)
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Spot on. And, Russia has become the new George Bush...Dems and media have their convenient go-to distraction story always at hand.
 
Jarod said:
No, I am not suggesting the President engage in such behavior, I am suggesting the president must understand that such is the way it is, and only someone why understands the issue can begin to fix it. It is not a problem that can be corrected in four or eight years, it will take longer, but it can be started.

Trump does not understand how Washington works, he really only understands how a family business that he inherited from his father works.
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Trump isn't gong to waste his time going up against entrenched bureaucrats -and that's a losing battle.

He needs to make some statement like
"we are not going to have a Russian relationship based solely on sanctions; that helps no-one involved."

The problem is relations got so bad under Obama,there weren't even lower level talks.
I think he needs to go all in and have a meeting,and then a summit with Putin.
Meanwhile he's got to light a fire under Congress if he wants to get anything done; they keep pushing backdates.

Trump is in danger of sinking into the Swamp if he can't get things moving
 
anatta said:
Trump needs to realize the leftovers in DoJ ( like that Yates woman) and more especially the IC leadership is not sympathetic to a Russian reset.

Ask yourself why the Flynn transcripts were released. Why was Flynn even a target of an investigation?
The IC and the warhawks,and leftover State are all out with the Long Knives-
Russia is the bad guy by god, and we'll not allow any improvement over useless sanctions\
as policy
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Flynn was a target ever since he went to Russia after being fired by Obama.
His work in the Russian propaganda program as well as his chaotic reign under Obama made lots of enemies in US intell, particularly the CIA.
 
Rune said:
I would like to see evidence that Flynn lied to Pence.
I don't believe that for one minute.

I think Pence is in collusion....like Scooter Libby taking the fall for Cheney illegally and immorally outing a C.I.A agent.
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You are correct, Rumps tweet this morning acknowledges as much.
 
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