It should have been Kasich/Sanders

NOVA said:
Iowa and New Hampshire have 6 and 4 electoral votes respectively....
Iowa supported Democrats in pres. elections 6 out of the last 9 presidential elections.....
New Hampshire supported Democrats Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996, John Kerry in 2004, and Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012.
California 55, New York 29 electoral votes....both liberal Democratic strongholds....
Thats 10 to 84 in just 4 states....

Yet you say, "Iowa and New Hampshire have inordinate influence in deciding the future of our country.".....Inordinate influence ???? How so >
Not that I disagree because they vote for more Democrats than for Republicans....and Calif. and NY are totally on the political left....

or do you see something I don't.....
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its because they determine who drops out early. It is a false assertion in this regard though. Sanders was looking very strong after Iowa and NH and Kasich improved because it forced the other GOP guys to drop out giving him more attention.
 
Thing1 said:
Everyone's taxes go down (at the expense of the debt), but the wealthy will see close to a 15% increase in after-tax income, and the average for lower income households would be a paltry 1-2%. You keep bringing up Steve Jobs, but the estate tax still generates close to $20 billion in revenue.

He ran a populist agenda, but the biggest beneficiaries will be heirs. This will just perpetuate the growing gap between the rich and middle class, and it's the children of the middle class who will have to pay off the increased debt. To say it benefit those households because of the small short-term break they get is pure smoke & mirrors.
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btw the average for lower income households is around 5-15% depending on where you actually fall and other tax credits you may make. Of course if you consider you were paying around 1500 under obama and 0 under Trump then it can be seen as a 100% tax cut as well.

You really need to read stuff for yourself instead of looking at 2nd hand stuff.
 
tsuke said:
btw the average for lower income households is around 5-15% depending on where you actually fall and other tax credits you may make. Of course if you consider you were paying around 1500 under obama and 0 under Trump then it can be seen as a 100% tax cut as well.

You really need to read stuff for yourself instead of looking at 2nd hand stuff.
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Thingy is concerned about the debt after he just supported an increase of 9,000,000,000,000 dollars of which the average citizen got nothing....no cuts in taxes,
no higher wages, no higher saving rates, no drop in social programs, no decrease in illegals, no nothing....
 
NOVA said:
Thingy is concerned about the debt after he just supported an increase of 9,000,000,000,000 dollars of which the average citizen got nothing....no cuts in taxes,
no higher wages, no higher saving rates, no drop in social programs, no decrease in illegals, no nothing....
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Supported?

Sorry, bravs. I didn't vote Obama in '12, and I didn't vote Hillary in '16.
 
I was proud of my vote for popular vote-winner Sec State Clinton, and I'm not sure I am buying the premise of some of these early autopsies that it was somehow her fault the Democratic Party lost the electoral college. And I say that as somebody who voted for Sanders in the primary. I am not 100 percent sure how the Sanders would have played in a national election. I found Sec State Clinton easily as qualified, competent, and prepared for presidential leadership as a host of other Democratic presidential nominees, aka John Kerry, Al Gore, and Barack Obama.

The circumstances that elected Drumpf may well have been unique and not re-producible. History will tell.

Some people were also mad at popular vote-winner Gore after Dumbya was handed the presidency. But I believe history will also record that the country would have been much, much better served if Al Gore and H. Clinton had been our presidents instead of Dumbya and Drumpf. And I will always be able to respect myself by knowing I did my part to prevent the United States from enduring two of the worst and most appalling presidents in it's history.
 
Hahaha, but that would have required an honest Democratic Party, instead of the party of liars and cheats.
 
Cypress said:
But I believe history will also record that the country would have been much, much better served if Al Gore and H. Clinton had been our presidents instead of Dumbya and Drumpf. And I will always be able to respect myself by knowing I did my part to prevent the United States from enduring two of the worst and most appalling presidents in it's history.
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How will history record that? Time Travel?
 
seth rich is unavenged blood. vengence is sure. since the powers that be ordained for evil are in eternal fail mode...all blood will be avenged. innocent blood...woe... righteous blood... woe...woe... ... all blood... woe...woe...woe..
 
Thing1 said:
Supported?

Sorry, bravs. I didn't vote Obama in '12, and I didn't vote Hillary in '16.
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I didn't say you voted for anybody....you support them, their party, and what they stand for.....so don't be a chickenshit and deny the truth....
 
NOVA said:
I didn't say you voted for anybody....you support them, their party, and what they stand for.....so don't be a chickenshit and deny the truth....
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Don't project your koolaid-drenched hackery onto me. I was against Obamacare & Libya, and never supported Hillary.

You think this way because it's how YOU are. You proved this past election that you will vote & support literally ANYONE as long as they have an (R) next to their name. Please do not patronize me or lecture me about "truth." You should be deeply, deeply embarrassed.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
as I recall, you were all for every stimulus package, correct?
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Correct. That's supporting a policy I believe in - not blindly supporting party. I happen to believe in stimulus in that kind of scenario, and I supported Bush on the bailouts (similar philosophically).

I know you don't agree w/ those measures, but I do. And I think the bailouts & stimulus did what they were supposed to do.
 
Thing1 said:
Everyone's taxes go down (at the expense of the debt), but the wealthy will see close to a 15% increase in after-tax income, and the average for lower income households would be a paltry 1-2%. You keep bringing up Steve Jobs, but the estate tax still generates close to $20 billion in revenue.

He ran a populist agenda, but the biggest beneficiaries will be heirs. This will just perpetuate the growing gap between the rich and middle class, and it's the children of the middle class who will have to pay off the increased debt. To say it benefit those households because of the small short-term break they get is pure smoke & mirrors.
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Hey dispirit, you do know that the debt involves spending as a factor.? Stop spending so much on things for which the Constitution makes no mention and see how quickly we tackle the debt. That would include social welfare spending. Just imagine all those opportunities for those like you that claim you care for people that don't have certain things. You'll have plenty of chances to prove it with your money.
 
Thing1 said:
Correct. That's supporting a policy I believe in - not blindly supporting party. I happen to believe in stimulus in that kind of scenario, and I supported Bush on the bailouts (similar philosophically).

I know you don't agree w/ those measures, but I do. And I think the bailouts & stimulus did what they were supposed to do.
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I bet you believe social welfare spending reduces poverty. That's been proven wrong to a price tag of $22 trillion wasted trying to solve something with money where money isn't the root cause of the problem.
 
CFM said:
Hey dispirit, you do know that the debt involves spending as a factor.? Stop spending so much on things for which the Constitution makes no mention and see how quickly we tackle the debt. That would include social welfare spending. Just imagine all those opportunities for those like you that claim you care for people that don't have certain things. You'll have plenty of chances to prove it with your money.
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Eliminating S.S. and Medicare would do the most to reduce our debt but even people who vote republican don't want that.
 
Thing1 said:
Don't project your koolaid-drenched hackery onto me. I was against Obamacare & Libya, and never supported Hillary.

You think this way because it's how YOU are. You proved this past election that you will vote & support literally ANYONE as long as they have an (R) next to their name. Please do not patronize me or lecture me about "truth." You should be deeply, deeply embarrassed.
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You should be deeply embarrassed for believing what you believe. You think the way you do because of the piece of shit you are.
 
Thing1 said:
I know - spilled milk at this point. But it really troubles me that it came to this. It feels like a clear sign that we need to rethink and re-formulate how we nominate candidates and elect Presidents.

At minimum, they should mix it up when it comes to the order of the primary states. Iowa and New Hampshire have inordinate influence in deciding the future of our country.

But man, I can't help but look back on a missed opportunity. Kasich & Sanders are both men with integrity, intelligence & principles, and would have given voters a real contrast & choice. For the life of me, I don't know how Kasich got boxed in as some sort of "insider." We have to stop looking at government experience as some sort of negative, and judge the inside/outside thing more on how beholden they have shown themselves to be to special interests and their overall record. Sanders has been in gov't for years, but he didn't get tagged as an "insider."

What a difference either guy would have been.
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the republican party is evil is why



stop trying to embrace people like Kasich if you want to pretend to be left

sanders got FEWER VOTES


the Russians targeted his followers with lies and they BOUGHT those lies


REMEMBER?
 
Thing1 said:
Don't project your koolaid-drenched hackery onto me. I was against Obamacare & Libya, and never supported Hillary.

You think this way because it's how YOU are. You proved this past election that you will vote & support literally ANYONE as long as they have an (R) next to their name. Please do not patronize me or lecture me about "truth." You should be deeply, deeply embarrassed.
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so you wish all those lives saved By ACA were not saved?
 
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