It is Veterans Day

[Hawkeye10]

WTF are you babbling about? I am specifically talking about YOU and your penchant to run your mouth as if it's all facts and not just your personal speculations and such. To date, you mostly babble on without being able to factually prove what you profess.

You keep going on about "the West". Where do you come from or currently reside?

And keep in mind that you got your panties in a bunch because I pointed out how you parrot rhetoric similar to that of the late Lyndon LaRouche (another wealthy idealist with delusions of authority).

I am not a God....I am thus not always right.....but I say what I see and I see better than most.

As for what you think is proven that is entirely your problem.

 

[Tbird19482]

Partially true, but incomplete and somewhat misleading in its details—it's a common misconception about VA health care eligibility.

Not all veterans can access comprehensive VA health care (e.g., at a VA hospital or clinic) for any reason, but the barriers aren't as rigid as described.

Let me break it down clearly based on current VA rules

First, all veterans must meet a baseline service requirement to even apply for VA health care: honorable discharge (or similar) after active-duty service, with at least 24 continuous months if you enlisted after September 7, 1980 (or the full period called to active duty).

This applies regardless of income or job status. Once eligible, the VA assigns you to one of 8 "priority groups" that determine your access, wait times, and costs (like copays). Higher groups (1-3) get priority for all care; lower ones (7-8) may face limits or higher costs.

It's not a hard $55,000 cutoff

• Income does affect eligibility, but it's not a blanket "$55,000 per year" rule for everyone. The VA uses "means testing" based on your household gross income (yours + spouse/dependents) from the prior year, minus certain deductions like unreimbursed medical expenses or education costs. Limits are updated annually and vary by location (using geographic means test, or GMT, thresholds) and family size—typically around the federal poverty level plus adjustments, not $55,000.
• For 2025, national thresholds start around $16,000-$28,000 for a single veteran (depending on dependents), but can be higher in high-cost areas (e.g., up to $40,000+ in places like California). There's a "relaxation" rule: If your income is just 10% over the limit, you can still enroll in Priority Group 8 with copays.
• If your income exceeds these limits and you lack other qualifying factors (like a service-connected disability), you may be placed in Priority Group 8. However, new enrollments in Group 8 for high-income veterans without service-connected issues have been restricted since 2003 due to capacity limits—existing enrollees can stay, but others might be denied full access.

In short: A veteran with a "good job" and retirement income over ~$55,000 (or the actual threshold) won't automatically be barred, but they could face denial for non-service-connected care if they're not already enrolled or don't qualify for a higher group. Many still get in via other paths.

CaIl 877-222-8387—they'll verify the above.

Well I hope you tell this to the VA and the person I talked to at the VA in DC so they know it, because I sat here and talked to him on the phone for almost two hours and that is NOT what they are telling me,
And I also talked to my daughter who was the head of women's affairs for 5 or 6 year and has now got another promotion and she tells me the same thing as the guy on the phone did.
All I know is I make too much on my retirement and I have to prove to them what I need to go there for is service related.

 

[Diogenes]

Well I hope you tell this to the VA and the person I talked to at the VA in DC so they know it, because I sat here and talked to him on the phone for almost two hours and that is NOT what they are telling me, And I also talked to my daughter who was the head of women's affairs for 5 or 6 year and has now got another promotion and she tells me the same thing as the guy on the phone did. All I know is I make too much on my retirement and I have to prove to them what I need to go there for is service related.

Call the VA number and read what I posted to the associate.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Yep did you know NOT all vets can go to the VA hospital?
If a vet had or has a real good job and has a good retirement and makes over $55,000 a year they can not get healthcare there.
Only way they can get help there is they have to show ( prove ) what ever they want to go there for is service related.
And IMO that really SUCKS.
Especially if they are WAR vets that put their lives on the line in time of war.
YEP some vets put their time in and are war vets and are IMO getting fucked by the Government of the country they love and defended.

The VA has 8 categories for service. 1 is full military related disability to 8 getting service if space is available.

I'm in category 8 because I have alternative health insurance coverage, make way too much money, and have no military related disability. Not that I mind given the Phoenix VA has a reputation for providing shit service. Now, if I really wanted to use the VA I could up that to category 6 as I served in Bahrain and Enduring Freedom and could easily point out exposure to "toxic" chemicals. But I see no reason to do so.

VA priority groups | Veterans Affairs

Find out what VA priority groups are, how they work, and how they may affect you.

www.va.gov

The VA is primarily for service-related disabilities and injuries. It is secondary for other veterans. It is not supposed to be some lifetime automatic healthcare program for every veteran that served.

 

[Hawkeye10]

The VA has 8 categories for service. 1 is full military related disability to 8 getting service if space is available.

I'm in category 8 because I have alternative health insurance coverage, make way too much money, and have no military related disability. Not that I mind given the Phoenix VA has a reputation for providing shit service. Now, if I really wanted to use the VA I could up that to category 6 as I served in Bahrain and Enduring Freedom and could easily point out exposure to "toxic" chemicals. But I see no reason to do so.

VA priority groups | Veterans Affairs

Find out what VA priority groups are, how they work, and how they may affect you.

www.va.gov

The VA is primarily for service-related disabilities and injuries. It is secondary for other veterans. It is not supposed to be some lifetime automatic healthcare program for every veteran that served.

I saw it said that in recent years illegals that have nothing to do with the Empires military have been sucking up much of the capacity.

 

[Hawkeye10]

"At Least We Are Not Them!"
MISTRESS!

 

[Tbird19482]

The VA has 8 categories for service. 1 is full military related disability to 8 getting service if space is available.

I'm in category 8 because I have alternative health insurance coverage, make way too much money, and have no military related disability. Not that I mind given the Phoenix VA has a reputation for providing shit service. Now, if I really wanted to use the VA I could up that to category 6 as I served in Bahrain and Enduring Freedom and could easily point out exposure to "toxic" chemicals. But I see no reason to do so.

VA priority groups | Veterans Affairs

Find out what VA priority groups are, how they work, and how they may affect you.

www.va.gov

The VA is primarily for service-related disabilities and injuries. It is secondary for other veterans. It is not supposed to be some lifetime automatic healthcare program for every veteran that served.

I know all this , I talked to several people at the VA and my income is too high.

 

[Damocles]

Agreed on the difference in the oaths, but the stipulation of obeying orders has the caveat of lawful orders.

The oath I put in the first post is the one that enlisted folks take. The only portion about laws is the portion about "according to the Uniform Code of Military Justice".

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The oath I put in the first post is the one that enlisted folks take. The only portion about laws is the portion about "according to the Uniform Code of Military Justice".

Correct. Translation: Lawful orders. It's Article 92. One of my aircrewman was facing an Article 92 prosecution because refused to be part of a crew that would carry a nuke even though he was fine with a conventional torpedo. Our chiefs and senior POs convinced him to relent.

UCMJ Article 92: Failure to Obey Order or Regulation

To be prosecuted for an Article 92 violation of or failure to obey a lawful general order or regulation, the order must have been given by someone with the authority to do so, and the order retained validity after a change of command. The order or regulation must have been lawful and enforceable.

www.mymilitarylawyers.com

A service member may be prosecuted under Article 92 for a violation of or failure to obey other lawful orders if the order was legal and the accused was aware of the order or regulation. The accused must have also had a duty to obey the order, even if it was issued by an authority that was not superior in rank to the accused.

The accused may be guilty of a violation of Article 92, dereliction of duty, if they reasonably should have known of the duty and then willfully or negligently fail to perform said duty or perform the duty in a culpably inefficient manner.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I know all this , I talked to several people at the VA and my income is too high.

You should check into the quality of service the VA has in your area. It's very much hit and miss. There are some great VA hospitals and there are some that are just absolute shit. Like I pointed out, the one in Phoenix is one of the worst in the US, while the one in Tucson is pretty damn good.

 

[Tbird19482]

You should check into the quality of service the VA has in your area. It's very much hit and miss. There are some great VA hospitals and there are some that are just absolute shit. Like I pointed out, the one in Phoenix is one of the worst in the US, while the one in Tucson is pretty damn good.

We have a really good one here , My daughter was the head of women's affairs there before she got her last promotion.
Besides as I said I make way too much money to be able to get in and The only way I could get in is to show what I have and need looked at was caused by agent orange , we are trying to do that , but that will take some time and what is happening to me has been going on for over 3 months and I want to be looked at ASAP.

 

[Taichiliberal]

I am not a God....I am thus not always right.....but I say what I see and I see better than most.

As for what you think is proven that is entirely your problem.

Hawk is off his meds again. He's got delusions of grandeur. He's done.

 

[Diogenes]

We have a really good one here , My daughter was the head of women's affairs there before she got her last promotion.
Besides as I said I make way too much money to be able to get in and The only way I could get in is to show what I have and need looked at was caused by agent orange , we are trying to do that , but that will take some time and what is happening to me has been going on for over 3 months and I want to be looked at ASAP.

You can get seen ASAP—here’s how, no claim approval needed.

1. Apply for VA health care today (takes 10 mins):
   → https://www.va.gov/health-care/how-to-apply/
   → Or call 877-222-8387 (8am–8pm ET) — they’ll enroll over the phone.
2. Go to urgent care today — no referral, no wait:
   → VA urgent care or in-network community clinics (like MinuteClinic, urgent care centers)
   → Find one: https://www.va.gov/find-locations/?facilityType=urgent_care
   → First 3 visits often $0, even in higher income groups
   → Say it’s related to Agent Orange — that can waive copays
3. If it’s bad, go to ER — VA covers later if linked to service:
   → File for reimbursement: https://www.va.gov/resources/getting-emergency-care-at-non-va-facilities/
4. Speed up the Agent Orange claim:
   → Get a free VSO (Veterans Service Officer) to push it: https://www.va.gov/ogc/accreditation.asp
   → Upload doctor notes showing link: https://www.va.gov/claim-or-appeal
5. 24/7 nurse line for same-day advice:
   → Call 877-222-8387 — ask for telehealth urgent visit

File For Disability Benefits | Veterans Affairs

www.va.gov

You don't need the claim done to get in the door. Enrollment + urgent care = seen this week. Income won’t block access — it just sets copays (often $0 for Agent Orange issues).

 

[Tbird19482]

You can get seen ASAP—here’s how, no claim approval needed.

1. Apply for VA health care today (takes 10 mins):
   → https://www.va.gov/health-care/how-to-apply/
   → Or call 877-222-8387 (8am–8pm ET) — they’ll enroll over the phone.
2. Go to urgent care today — no referral, no wait:
   → VA urgent care or in-network community clinics (like MinuteClinic, urgent care centers)
   → Find one: https://www.va.gov/find-locations/?facilityType=urgent_care
   → First 3 visits often $0, even in higher income groups
   → Say it’s related to Agent Orange — that can waive copays
3. If it’s bad, go to ER — VA covers later if linked to service:
   → File for reimbursement: https://www.va.gov/resources/getting-emergency-care-at-non-va-facilities/
4. Speed up the Agent Orange claim:
   → Get a free VSO (Veterans Service Officer) to push it: https://www.va.gov/ogc/accreditation.asp
   → Upload doctor notes showing link: https://www.va.gov/claim-or-appeal
5. 24/7 nurse line for same-day advice:
   → Call 877-222-8387 — ask for telehealth urgent visit

File For Disability Benefits | Veterans Affairs

www.va.gov

You don't need the claim done to get in the door. Enrollment + urgent care = seen this week. Income won’t block access — it just sets copays (often $0 for Agent Orange issues).

Thanks for the info but I spent almost 3 hours on the phone with people from the VA and I do not qualify for VA healthcare according to them.

 

[EdwinA]

I feel sorry for all the wounded, maimed, killed and psychologically damaged vets who suffered due to LIES (Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan) and incompetence by gov't "leadership". Then they come home to have their benefits screwed with by the very people who sent them to those respective hells.

People willing to put their lives on the line for their country should not be screwed with.

lol no you don't, you revel in their deaths and advocate making their deaths worthless and in vain. Go post your piece of shit agenda somewhere else, commie.