Israel Uncovers Hamas Rocket Launchers Next to Children’s Pool, Playground

Althea said:
Who in your party supports Hamas?
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Democrats support Palestinians over Israel, GOP overwhelmingly stands with US ally: 2023 poll

More Democrats in the United States support Palestinians living in Gaza and the West Bank than Israel, the closest U.S. ally in the Middle East, according to a 2023 poll.

Democratic sympathies for Palestinians has increased over the last decade, and a Gallup poll published in March 2023 found their affinity toward the Palestinians finally eclipsed their support of Israel, 49% to 38%.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...gly-stands-with-us-ally-2023-poll/ar-AA1hYPcA




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guno said:
So Jews should now vote for the white xtian party whose driving religion was to eradicate Jews for over 2000 years starting with their antisemitic "new testament"

No, the enemy of our enemy are not our friends , tolerance yes, friends no

Yes the democrats have a small cadre of antisemitism but the party is not antisemitic as its core principles align with us Jews

"In Judaism, the concept of tikkun olam is a Hebrew phrase that roughly means "repairing the world" or "perfecting the world." It is a central tenet of Jewish Theology, as evidenced by its inclusion in the Aleinu, a Jewish prayer that is traditionally recited three times daily. Performing mitzvots, or good deeds, is one means of tikkun olam, and the concept of good deeds and improving the world is inextricably linked in Jewish minds to social justice and equality – the hallmarks of democratic principles."

"Given that backdrop, Jewish support for the Democratic Party is only natural. We are the party that fought for and ushered in a women's right to vote, the Civil Rights movement, the Civil Rights Act, women's reproductive rights, and currently champion the cause of Gay Americans.

Republicans love affair with the country of Israel, where over 90% of land is government owned, with universal health care, high taxes, and a generous welfare system, is recent and often stems from their twisted religious conviction of their end days and us Jews.
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Sadly, Israel is just another political pawn. Both parties walk a tightrope because the voting block is too large to lose.

My father was a staunch Republican, and you will find thousands like him in Florida retirement communities. When it is quiet in the Middle East, Israel doesn't become such a wedge issue for voters, as politicians won't dare mention it unless necessary. The filthy truth is that America's oil policy since the 40's has been to have a strong military in close proximity to the region. Sans these issues, nobody in this nation's govt. gives a flying fuck about Israel

There are a lot of moving parts here, and many who claim to know anything about Israel are actually clueless. There are more than a million Jews in Israel who are absolutely hated by other Israeli Jews. The Haredi, not unlike Hasidm in this nation, do not join the military. Their population grows exponentially compared to non Haredi Jews. They pay no taxes. For decades this has caused a rift between sects. I suspect the need for West Bank settlements is due to the rate at which Haredi grow their numbers.

It's a good sign that Haredi males are now joining in the effort to protect Israel.

I just read that many young Haredi are now joining the military since the terrorist attack.
 
Althea said:
Who in your party supports Hamas?
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All those representatives who voted "nay" on the resolution were:

Earl Blumenauer, a Democrat for Oregon
Jamaal Bowman, a Democrat for New York and member of "The Squad" of progressives in the House
Cori Bush, a Democrat for Missouri and another Squad member
Andre Carson, a Democrat for Indiana
Maxwell Frost, a Democrat for Florida
Jesus G. 'Chuy' Garcia, a Democrat for Illinois
Jared Huffman, a Democrat for California
Jonathan L. Jackson, a Democrat for Illinois
Pramila Jayapal, a Democrat for Washington state
Summer L. Lee, a Democrat for Pennsylvania and a Squad member
Thomas Massie, a Republican for Kentucky. He said of his decision to vote no that there was no agreed definition of antisemitism, adding: "Free speech means protecting speech you don't like, not just speech you do like."
James P. McGovern, a Democrat for Massachusetts
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a Democrat for New York and founding member of The Squad
Ilhan Omar, a Democrat for Minnesota and another Squad founding member
Ayanna Pressley, a Democrat for Massachusetts and a further Squad founding member
Delia C. Ramirez, a Democrat for Illinois
Mark Takano, a Democrat for California
Rashida Tlaib, a Democrat for Michigan and founding Squad member, who is of Palestinian descent
Ritchie Torres, a Democrat for New York. He has since released a statement in which he said he voted against the motion "mistakenly," adding: "As a visible and vocal advocate against antisemitism on college campuses, especially in the wake of October 7, I have submitted a correction for the record."
Lauren Underwood, a Democrat for Illinois
Nydia M. Velazquez, a Democrat for New York
Maxine Waters, a Democrat for California
Bonnie Watson Coleman, a Democrat for New Jersey
 
Port Tack said:
Both Obama and Biden under these circumstances would be supporting Israel just like Biden is doing now. They may speak out in support of innocent persons being killed indiscriminately but anyone who insinuates that either of these guys would be supporting HAMAS over Israel is a full of shit. Biden sent a battle group to the eastern med and is currently helping Israel any way they can minus ground forces.
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Thank you. Someone had to add common sense to the discussion.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Hamas is just the flavor of the day for terrorist groups.
To me, it's still the PLO.
More Democrats than Republicans side with the Palestinians, and that's what makes me sick.
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What makes you sick about people educating themselves about the Palestine issue?

By your Hamas/Palestine logic, all Americans support trump's terror attack on Jan. 6
 
Althea said:
What makes you sick about people educating themselves about the Palestine issue?
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I don't know.

I despise seeing the ugly-ass "Freedom Tower" where the WTC twin towers are supposed to be,
and it definitely impacts my feelings toward Islam.

I have no need to justify how I feel.
It's not right and wrong,
It never is.
It's always us and them.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
I don't know.

I despise seeing the ugly-ass "Freedom Tower" where the WTC twin towers are supposed to be,
and it definitely impacts my feelings toward Islam.

I have no need to justify how I feel.
It's not right and wrong,
It never is.
It's always us and them.
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When one side targets civilians and the other side seeks to protect them, it's not a difficult choice for me.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
I don't know.

I despise seeing the ugly-ass "Freedom Tower" where the WTC twin towers are supposed to be,
and it definitely impacts my feelings toward Islam.

I have no need to justify how I feel.
It's not right and wrong,
It never is.
It's always us and them.
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I didn't ask you to justify anything. You said something makes you sick. What makes you sick about people educating themselves re. Palestine?

What makes me sick is that after 9/11, instead of bombing Saudi Arabia, we launched a criminal attack on Iraq.

That made absolutely no sense.

Using American logic, shouldn't Israel be attacking Germany because Hamas committed a terrorist attack?
 
Althea said:
I didn't ask you to justify anything. You said something makes you sick. What makes you sick about people educating themselves re. Palestine?

What makes me sick is that after 9/11, instead of bombing Saudi Arabia, we launched a criminal attack on Iraq.

That made absolutely no sense. [I couldn't agree more.]

Using American logic, shouldn't Israel be attacking Germany because Hamas committed a terrorist attack?
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Attacking NATO countries like Germany isn't a good idea.
Also, educating oneself about anything isn't the problem.

Not seeing the right of Israel to exist on land appropriated by questionable means
while seeing the right of America to exist on land appropriated by questionable means
is the disconnect.

Israel dealing with the Palestinians isn't a moral issue.
It's a survival issue.
Like almost everything in this world, it's "us and them," not "right and wrong."
If neither side wants co-existence, which neither does, one side must win completely.

Since I don't intuitively respect neutrality, my nature is to choose a side.
I choose the Jews over the Palestinians for my own personal reasons,
some of which I've mentioned.

Peace between them in an unrealistic pipe dream.
I also understand the concept of hatred very well.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Attacking NATO countries like Germany isn't a good idea.
Also, educating oneself about anything isn't the problem.
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There are a lot of moving parts here. Supporting Palestinian women and children is not the same as supporting Hamas.

Not seeing the right of Israel to exist on land appropriated by questionable means
while seeing the right of America to exist on land appropriated by questionable means
is the disconnect.
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This is an interesting point. I often laugh at people who scream about 'dem Mexicans' who are doing nothing more than moving back home after their land was stolen by a bunch of marauding Europeans. I think most in this nation support Israel's right to exist, save for the Nazis. That said, it's fair to criticize the way Palestine was carved up to make room for Israel.

Further, the settlements in the West Bank are problematic. Israel simply does not care about world opinion.

BUT...Hamas is dead wrong here, and must be dealt with. People can debate how exactly that should be done, but there really is no solution. Hamas doesn't want a solution any more than Republicans want a solution to our southern border.

Israel dealing with the Palestinians isn't a moral issue.
It's a survival issue.
Like almost everything in this world, it's "us and them," not "right and wrong."
If neither side wants co-existence, which neither does, one side must win completely.
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And that's the problem here. On one side, Israel does nothing to end the expansion of West Bank settlements. On the other side, Hamas will never be satisfied with anything Israel does.

Since I don't intuitively respect neutrality, my nature is to choose a side.
I choose the Jews over the Palestinians for my own personal reasons,
some of which I've mentioned.
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Everyone has chosen a side, for better or worse. But fully understanding the issue is helpful.
Right now this is fodder for political donations. Other than that, nobody in Washington gives a fuck about Jews or Palestinians.
 
guno said:
So Jews should now vote for the white xtian party whose driving religion was to eradicate Jews for over 2000 years starting with their antisemitic "new testament"

No, the enemy of our enemy are not our friends , tolerance yes, friends no

Yes the democrats have a small cadre of antisemitism but the party is not antisemitic as its core principles align with us Jews

"In Judaism, the concept of tikkun olam is a Hebrew phrase that roughly means "repairing the world" or "perfecting the world." It is a central tenet of Jewish Theology, as evidenced by its inclusion in the Aleinu, a Jewish prayer that is traditionally recited three times daily. Performing mitzvots, or good deeds, is one means of tikkun olam, and the concept of good deeds and improving the world is inextricably linked in Jewish minds to social justice and equality – the hallmarks of democratic principles."

"Given that backdrop, Jewish support for the Democratic Party is only natural. We are the party that fought for and ushered in a women's right to vote, the Civil Rights movement, the Civil Rights Act, women's reproductive rights, and currently champion the cause of Gay Americans.

Republicans love affair with the country of Israel, where over 90% of land is government owned, with universal health care, high taxes, and a generous welfare system, is recent and often stems from their twisted religious conviction of their end days and us Jews.
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I have been to Normandy and there were LOTS of crosses over boys that fought to destroy the power that was slaughtering Jews. You should be more thankful. Plus your party fought to enslave the Black man. Even after the Civil War your party lynched Whites in the Republican party that tried to sign up the Black man to vote. Your party started the KKK to terrorize the Black man down. Your party started the Poll tax and Jim Crow.
 
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NiftyNiblick said:
Attacking NATO countries like Germany isn't a good idea.
Also, educating oneself about anything isn't the problem.

Not seeing the right of Israel to exist on land appropriated by questionable means
while seeing the right of America to exist on land appropriated by questionable means
is the disconnect.

Israel dealing with the Palestinians isn't a moral issue.
It's a survival issue.
Like almost everything in this world, it's "us and them," not "right and wrong."
If neither side wants co-existence, which neither does, one side must win completely.

Since I don't intuitively respect neutrality, my nature is to choose a side.
I choose the Jews over the Palestinians for my own personal reasons,
some of which I've mentioned.

Peace between them in an unrealistic pipe dream.
I also understand the concept of hatred very well.
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Israel was there first and no one ever paid them for the land when it was taken from them. If anything the Palestinian owe rent. A lot of rent.
 
Althea said:
... Further, the settlements in the West Bank are problematic. Israel simply does not care about world opinion....
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Agreed, but after 70 years of constant attack and condemnation by "world opinion", I can understand why Israel is past caring.

This is no different. You're talking about the poor, poor Palestinians when all the Israeli bodies from the October 7th massacre haven't even been identified yet.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Agreed, but after 70 years of constant attack and condemnation by "world opinion", I can understand why Israel is past caring.

This is no different. You're talking about the poor, poor Palestinians when all the Israeli bodies from the October 7th massacre haven't even been identified yet.
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For all of my childhood and some years as an adult, the Passover reading of the haggadah ends with the proclamation 'Next year in Israel!' It is the aspiration of every Jew to end up in Israel at some point.

I never understood, as my cousin lived in Israel for several years working as an engineer for one of the major airlines. Back in the early 70s, my cousin told me that the toilet paper there was like wax paper. Didn't seem like a place I wanted to live.

For lack of knowledge, I automatically assumed that Israel existed as it is thousands of years ago. When someone on one of these message boards mentioned that Israel was carved out of the region in the 40s, I was clueless.

So I started researching the issue, and it's hard to blame the region for their angst. Nothing excuses terrorist acts, but the stranglehold Israel has had over every aspect of Palestine's economy is inexcusable.

But it's a catch 22. Israel will continue to punish its neighbors, and its neighbors will continue to hate them.

It's like trying to get two siblings to stop fighting over the toys.
 
Althea said:
... the stranglehold Israel has had over every aspect of Palestine's economy is inexcusable.

But it's a catch 22. Israel will continue to punish its neighbors, and its neighbors will continue to hate them.

It's like trying to get two siblings to stop fighting over the toys.
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Again, after 70 years, why can't you understand when enough is enough?

Again, you blame Israel for this while I blame Iran and Qatar. Why won't you do the same? Are you like Dan Burros?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Burros
Daniel Burros (March 5, 1937 – October 31, 1965) was a Jewish American who joined the American Nazi Party (ANP) and the Ku Klux Klan (KKK). While initially an ANP member, Burros became a Kleagle for the KKK's United Klans of America (UKA) in the aftermath of a falling-out between him and ANP founder George L. Rockwell. The UKA was the most violent white supremacist group within the KKK at the time.[1]

On October 31, 1965, Burros' Jewish heritage was exposed to the public by American journalist John McCandlish Phillips, Jr., who published an article about Burros in The New York Times. Some hours after the article was published, Burros committed suicide by shooting himself in the chest and then in the head. He was reportedly listening to music composed by German composer Richard Wagner prior to his death.[2]

He was highly influenced by American far-right theorist Francis Parker Yockey, who advocated the establishment of a pan-European empire.[3]

Should I play some Wagner for you while you think about it, Althea?

 
Doc Dutch said:
Again, after 70 years, why can't you understand when enough is enough?
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Is this a statute of limitations issue? We happen to be neophytes on the world stage. The societies in question existed for thousands of years without much having changed in their ideologies. 70 years? They laugh at the thought.

Israel continues to expand its borders via settlements. And you never address the Israeli stranglehold on all ports/power/water/industry.

That's one side of the argument. The other side is that no matter what Israel does, their neighbor will always want them destroyed.

Continued expansion into the West Bank isn't helping.
 
Althea said:
Is this a statute of limitations issue? We happen to be neophytes on the world stage. The societies in question existed for thousands of years without much having changed in their ideologies. 70 years? They laugh at the thought.

Israel continues to expand its borders via settlements. And you never address the Israeli stranglehold on all ports/power/water/industry.

That's one side of the argument. The other side is that no matter what Israel does, their neighbor will always want them destroyed.

Continued expansion into the West Bank isn't helping.
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No. Why would it be? Anyone who has been constantly attacked and seen their citizens murdered for 70 years is extremely patient. Democratic President Woodrow Willson sent General Pershing into Mexico with10,000 troops for almost a year with far less provocation.

What's clear about this is two things: The Palestinians in Gaza don't want peace and none of this would be happening if Iran and Qatar weren't funding the Palestinians to attack Israel.
 
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