islamophobia lies...

So your contention is that some psycho represents one billion muslims?

Is it also your contention that Christians are pedophiles because of some catholic priests?

I disagree with you, I don't paint all christians with one broad brush.


So, you consider these American Muslims to be bad americans, even the enemy?

Shaquille O'Neal
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Wow, I don't agree with you at all that these dudes are enemies.

Yikes, man.....this post really says more about you than is does about the religion of islam.
 
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67P17420100826

See....Muslims aren't really freakin' nuts....just creative....

They're humane...its just nails, nails won't kill her....

I guess its all in the Koran somewhere....

Peace and love and tolerance....

:rolleyes:

Only you would make this about Islam rather than about violence in general. Here's a similar, American case in which the victim died. Guess it must be all that peace, love and tolerance in the Bible.

NEW LONDON -- An 18-year-old faces three years in prison after becoming the sixth and final man Monday to reach a plea agreement in a 2004 Norwich murder case.

Joel Hall, formerly of Norwich, pleaded guilty to the reduced charge of second-degree hindering the prosecution in connection with the beating death of William Derose, 43, of Norwich. Hall was 15 when Derose was killed June 28, 2004, and the youngest of six men initially charged with murder in the case.

The 6-foot-tall youth answered, "yes, ma'am," under questioning by Judge Susan B. Handy with several family members looking on in the New London courtroom.

Testimony shows Hall was one of the six men who beat Derose to death at the 121 Fourth St., Norwich home of Michael Pires Jr.

Both Hall and William Dudley, 18, testified to being reluctant participants in the beating, in which Derose was punched, kicked and struck with a dumbbell.

Hall testified Pires had threatened them into striking Derose so they would not become snitches.

Testimony showed Derose was never able to defend himself after an initial punch by Tamir Dixon knocked him down. Hall testified he watched as Derose's body was wrapped in a blanket and Michael Pires Sr. drove nails into the body.


http://www.newnation.vg/forums/showthread.php?t=109021
 
Right on...and if anyone else tries to spread these lies about the peace loving Islamic people, you can get help here defending them....
The Muslim Response to Muslim Atrocities

I first noticed it with my parents. Though they are amongst the most caring and loving people that I have ever known, when it comes to atrocities supported by Islam, they abandon even their own loving nature in order to defend their religion.

It so happened that one afternoon my parents were trying to convince me of the beauty of Islam and therefore its divine origin. In frustration I responded "Muhammad allowed his warriors to rape their female captives. This is in Sahih Bukhari and in Sahih Muslim, and it explains verses in the Quran!"

In sharp response, my mother said "So what!? In the West you rape women with your eyes! You go to the beach, you see women walking around barely clothed, and you're raping them with your eyes!"

Her response left me reeling. Not only was I bewildered by the utter inaccuracy of what she implied, as if looking at women is as violating as forcibly inserting one's phallus into their bodies, but I was surprised that she did not even begin to denounce the practice of raping female captives!

After this incident, my eyes were more attuned to Muslim responses to Muslim atrocities. The more I observed, the more I realized that my mother was far from alone in her defense. Other Muslims similarly try to detract attention from Muslims' horrible morality by pointing the finger elsewhere, saying "Look at that over there! It, too, is bad!"

The post immediately before this present post is a perfect example. Though rape is unfortunately prevalent throughout the world, it often comes with a religious twist when performed by Muslims. In this case, Christian girls were raped and forced to convert to Islam. When the women were finally rescued, a Muslim mob congregated to protest. Protest against the rapists? No! They came to protest their return to their father, who was a Christian, since they were now Muslims (a result of their forced conversions).

The mob was completely unmoved by the raping of two young girls, entirely ambivalent towards the Muslim rapists.

When David posted a blog about the incident, the Muslims who visit this blog reacted the same way! Instead of saying "This was bad and I condemn these Muslims!" here are the reactions we get:

Bassam: "What about the filthy Serbian Christians that raped tens of thousands of innocent Muslim women in Bosnia?"

Ibn: "There are verses in the corrupted bible that do permit rape in the logical sense."

Sami: "How many ladies have been raped in the west since the posting of this article?"

To be fair, as an afterthought, one Muslim did post a rebuke of the rapes:

Yahya: "BTW Yes I condemn this horrific act"

It is shocking to see Muslims entirely unmoved by atrocities when committed by other Muslims. When the attention is drawn towards these crimes, they boil in anger, as if to say "How dare you accuse us, the people of God! Look at the rest of the world!"

Oh but the rest of the world is looking at you, dear Muslim friends. Your behavior is akin to that of a school boy caught breaking the rules. When confronted, he responds "Well other boys are doing it, too!" And yet, when the boy finds others breaking the same rules, he drags them to the teachers saying "This filth is breaking the rules and must be punished!"

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2009/01/muslim-response-to-muslim-atrocities.html
 
Bravo, its just sad that you are visiting obviously bigoted, anti-muslim sites on the internets. I kinda feel sorry for you. Hatred of an entire religion, and of muslims in general is just bad karma. You have a post on here somewhere, where you actually went on public record raving that muslims are "barbarians".

If you feel American muslims like Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Shaquille O'Neal, and the Park 51 dudes are the enemy, that's up to you.

More shocking, is the fact that other than winterborne, the semi-sane republicans on the board have provided you, Dixie, /SouthernGirl, and Asshat cover, and have looked the other way as your bigotry is displayed.


Living with hatred ain't my bag man. But, whatever....it's obviously something you thrive on, so carry on, man!
 
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http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/06/exposing-david-wood-of-mosques-and-men-pt-1/


Exposing David Wood: Of Mosques and Men, Pt. 1

Posted on 24 June 2010 by Garibaldi

David Wood is a Christian apologist who attempts to save Muslim souls through his organization Acts 17 Apologetics and www.answeringmuslims.com. In the past Wood and his entourage, including ex-Ahmadi Muslim* Nabeel Qureshi have targeted the Dearborn Arab Festival in Michigan for proselytism.

At the 2009 Arab Festival, David Wood made a controversial, and some claim one sided video that received over a million hits on YouTube which showed them getting kicked out of the festival. They claim that they were just engaged in free speech, whereas security at the festival stated that they were insulting and harassing festival goers.

Other Evangelical Christians criticized Wood and his group as being agitators,

“The Rev. Haytham Abi Haydar, a Christian evangelical convert from Islam with Arabic Alliance Church in Dearborn, said that a Christian group called Acts 17 Apologetics caused the problems at this year’s Arab festival.

They put cameras in their faces and were very antagonistic,” Abi Haydar said of the group that produced the controversial video that has drawn almost 1.4 million views on YouTube.

Just recently at the 2010 Dearborn Arab Festival, David Wood, Nabeel Qureshi and two others were arrested for disorderly conduct. Obviously intending to make a scene in an attempt at more YouTube success by portraying themselves as being persecuted.

Now David Wood, whose “love of Muslims” seems to be akin to Pamela Geller’s (who he links to favorably a number of times) is joining arms with the anti-Muslim hate group SIOA in opposing the mosque and cultural center that is to be built a few blocks away from Ground Zero.

In the following video, filled with disinformation, falsehood and inaccuracies he expounds his reasons as to why he is against the mosque, and why he sees Muslims as a lurking evil attempting to take over the West. We expose it all in this series.
 
According to Bravo, the acts of a few condemn an entire relgion.

As for me, I don’t agree at all with Bravo that Christianity is a religion of pedopehlia, terrorism, bombings, or the kidnapping, mutilation, and sexual enslavement of children.


Christian Terrorism

India

The National Liberation Front of Tripura, a rebel group operating in Tripura, North-East India classified by the National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism as one of the ten most active terrorist groups in the world, has been accused of forcefully converting people to Christianity.[5][6][7]

The insurgency in Nagaland was led by the National Socialist Council of Nagaland (NSCN) and continues today with its faction NSCN - Isaac Muivah which explicitly calls for a "Nagalim for Christ."[8]

Northern Ireland

Martin Dillon interviewed paramilitaries on both sides of the conflict, questioning how they could reconcile murder with their Christian convictions.[9]

Steve Bruce, sociology professor at the University of Aberdeen, wrote:
The Northern Ireland conflict is a religious conflict. Economic and social considerations are also crucial, but it was the fact that the competing populations in Ireland adhered and still adhere to competing religious traditions which has given the conflict its enduring and intractable quality.[10]:249

Reviewing the book, David Harkness of The English Historical Review agreed "Of course the Northern Ireland conflict is at heart religious".[11]
John Hickey wrote:

Politics in the North is not politics exploiting religion. That is far too simple an explanation: it is one which trips readily off the tongue of commentators who are used to a cultural style in which the politically pragmatic is the normal way of conducting affairs and all other considerations are put to its use. In the case of Northern Ireland the relationship is much more complex. It is more a question of religion inspiring politics than of politics making use of religion. It is a situation more akin to the first half of seventeenth century England than to the last quarter of twentieth century Britain.[12]

Padraic Pearse was a devoted believer of the Christian faith, a writer, and one of the leaders of the Easter Rising.[13] In his writings he often identified Ireland with Jesus Christ to emphasise the suffering of the nation, and called for his readers to resurrect and redeem the nation, through self-sacrifice which would turn them into martyrs.[13] Browne states that Pearse’s "ideas of sacrifice and atonement, of the blood of martyrs that makes fruitful the seed of faith, are to be found all through [his] writings; nay, they have here even more than their religious significance, and become vitalizing factors in the struggle for Irish nationality".[13]

Brian O'Higgins, who helped in the rebel capture of Dublin's General Post Office in O'Connell Street, recalled how all the republicans took turn reciting the Rosary every half hour during the rebellion. He wrote that there
was hardly a man in the volunteer ranks who did not prepare for death on Easter Saturday [14] and there were many who felt as they knelt at the altar rails on Easter Sunday morning that they were doing no more than fulfilling their Easter duty – that they were renouncing the world and all the world held for them by making themselves worthy to appear before the Judgement Seat of God... The executions reinforced the sacrificial motif as Mass followed Mass for the dead leaders, linking them with the sacrifice of Christ, the ancient martyrs and heroes, and the honoured dead from previous revolts... These and other deaths by hungerstrike transformed not only the perceived sacrificial victims but, in the eyes of many ordinary Irish people, the cause for which they died. The martyrs and their cause became sacred.[15]

Sweeney went on to note that the culture of hunger strikes continued to be used by the Provisional IRA to great effect in the 1970s and 1980s, resulting in a revamped Sinn Fein, and mobilising huge sections of the Catholic community behind the republican cause.[15]:13

The Guardian newspaper attributed the murder of Martin O'Hagan, a former inmate of the Maze prison and a fearless reporter on crime and the paramilitaries, to the revival of religious fundamentalism.[16]
Although often advocating nationalist policies, these groups consisted of and were supported by distinct religious groups in a religiously partitioned society. Groups on both sides advocated what they saw as armed defence of their own religious group.[17]:134–135

The Orange Volunteers are a group infamous for carrying out simultaneous terrorist attacks on Catholic churches.[18]

Romania

Anti-Semitic Romanian Orthodox fascist movements in Romania, such as the Iron Guard and Lăncieri, were responsible for involvement in the Holocaust, Bucharest pogrom, and political murders during the 1930s.[19][20][21][22]:24

Russia

A number of Russian political and paramilitary groups combine racism, nationalism, and Russian Orthodox beliefs.[23][24] Russian National Unity, a far right ultra-nationalist political party and paramilitary organization, advocates an increased role for the Russian Orthodox Church according to its manifesto. It has been accused of murders, and several terrorist attacks including the bombing of the US Consulate in Ekaterinburg.[23][25]

Uganda

The Lord's Resistance Army, a cult guerrilla army engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government, has been accused of using child soldiers and committing numerous crimes against humanity; including massacres, abductions, mutilation, torture, rape, porters and sex slaves.[26] It is led by Joseph Kony, who proclaims himself the spokesperson of God and a spirit medium, primarily of the Christian Holy Spirit which the Acholi believe can represent itself in many manifestations.[27][27][28][29] LRA fighters wear rosary beads and recite passages from the Bible before battle.[30][31][32][33][34][35]

United States

See also: Anti-abortion violence in the United States

Beginning in the late nineteenth century, white supremacist Ku Klux Klan members in the Southern United States engaged in arson, beatings, cross burning, destruction of property, lynching, murder, rape, tar-and-feathering, and whipping against African Americans, Jews, Catholics and other social or ethnic minorities.[36]

During the twentieth century, members of extremist groups such as the Army of God began executing attacks against abortion clinics and doctors across the United States.[37][38][39] A number of terrorist attacks, including the Centennial Olympic Park bombing during the 1996 Summer Olympics by Eric Robert Rudolph, were accused of being carried out by individuals and groups with ties to the Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements; including the Lambs of Christ.[40]:105–120[41][42] A group called Concerned Christians were deported from Israel on suspicion of planning to attack holy sites in Jerusalem at the end of 1999, believing that their deaths would "lead them to heaven."[43][44] The motive for anti-abortionist Scott Roeder murdering Wichita doctor George Tiller on May 31, 2009 was religious.[45

Hutaree was a Christian militia group based in Adrian, Michigan. In 2010, after an FBI agent infiltrated the group, nine of its members were indicted by a federal grand jury in Detroit on charges of seditious conspiracy to use of improvised explosive devices, teaching the use of explosive materials, and possessing a firearm during a crime of violence.[46]

Motivation, ideology and theology

See also: Anti-abortion violence, Christian Patriot movement, and Christian Identity movement

Christian views on abortion have been cited by Christian individuals and groups that are responsible for threats, assault, murder, and bombings against abortion clinics and doctors across the United States and Canada.
Christian Identity is a loosely affiliated global group of churches and individuals devoted to a racialized theology that asserts North European whites are the direct descendants of the lost tribes of Israel, God's chosen people. It has been associated with groups such as the Aryan Nations, Aryan Republican Army, Army of God, Phineas Priesthood, and The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord. It has been cited as an influence in a number of terrorist attacks around the world, including the 2002 Soweto bombings.[47][48][49][50]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism


Bravo’s List of American Muslims Considered Dangerous to the United States:

Shaquille O'Neal, Fareed Zakaria, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Keith Ellison
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And true to form, you do exactly what my post predicted....
Spew shit about what others have done in the past to JUSTIFY what the barbarians are doing today....

you nonsense fails from the get go....

What a pathetic attempt to justify the horror of Sharia justice that is practiced by Muslims on a daily basis, in todays "enlightened" world.

Did you only see one beheading?
Did you see only one nose mutilation or clitoris removal?
Did you see only one amputation of ears or hands or feet?
Did you only hear about only one honor killing?
Did you only read about only one lashing?
Was there only one isolated stoning death?

No fool...its actually quite common in the mulsim world...and we hear about only a fraction of what actually goes on there....

This is not soldiers being killed or fighters killed in combat....this is pure unadulterated murder and torture of men and women for what any civilized society views as minor infractions of law or in some cases only a perceived slight of morality....and in the cases of female children being circumcised, its just purely barbaric idiocy...
 
So your contention is that some psycho represents one billion muslims?

Is it also your contention that Christians are pedophiles because of some catholic priests?

I disagree with you, I don't paint all christians with one broad brush.


What bullshit....
You and your fellow pinheads, all of you, have at one time or another claimed
ALL Republicans supported the Iraq war...
ALL are against abortion
ALL are against the NY mosque
ALL support capital punishment
ALL this and ALL that.....
and of course, you do lump all Christians into one group, when it suits your convenience of course....
just as you do with Republicans or Conservatives when it suits your fancy.

And I have heard a hundred times already that Catholic priests are pedophiles...not some, not a few, and not even most...just the flat statement...Catholic priests are pedophiles.
I don't make a big thing out of these generalities, because unlike you, I realize what the posters really mean....

so cry me a river....my claims are in the same vein....
no, not EVERY Muslim is crazy nut all the time....just a vast majority when it suits their conveniences....
 
But the islamic teachings in the quaran are common to all muslims. It's a bunch of theocratic violent bullshit too.

Got it, bro'.

You think these American Muslims are intent on violence, and the overthrow of the american government. I get it.
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I don't know if you and your merry band of NeoCons are emotionally invested in islamophobia; or whether deep down inside you there might be a shred of humanity that recognizes how preposterous your anti-islamic proclamations are.

The fact is, there are alleged christians around the world - from northern ireland, to lebanon, to india, to africa, to the united states - that cite christian theology, or passages from the bible to commit terrorism, murder, kidnappings, and the sexual enslavement of children - to justify their pathological criminality.

The fact that you and bravo are unaware of it is simply a function of the fact that the western press generally doesn't report on christian terrorism, or that americans don't equate the criminal acts of a few alleged christians with the entire religion of christianity. Why? Because in europe and the united states there is a long-standing and culturally-enforced canard that christians are the "good guys" and muslims are the "bad guys". Its simply unacceptable for any american media entity to link the acts of a few criminal christians to the entire religion. That social deterrent simply does not exist when it comes to muslims. Everyone from hollywood movies, to politicians have free license in this country to caricature muslims. It used to be cool to caricature jews, but luckily we've moved beyond that. Unfortunately, muslims have not yet received the same courtesy.


You have my permission to continue to live with your islamophobia. Someday, you might leave that cave you live in and meet some muslims, some arab-americans, or some indonesians, and perhaps realize how far off base and how preposterous your caricatures of muslims are.
 
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Got it, bro'.

You think these American Muslims are intent on violence, and the overthrow of the american government. I get it.


I don't know if you and your merry band of NeoCons are emotionally invested in islamophobia; or whether deep down inside you there might be a shred of humanity that recognizes how preposterous your anti-islamic proclamations are.

The fact is, there are alleged christians around the world - from northern ireland, to lebanon, to india, to africa, to the united states - that cite christian theology, or passages from the bible to commit terrorism, murder, kidnappings, and the sexual enslavement of children - to justify their pathological criminality.

The fact that you and bravo are unaware of it is simply a function of the fact that the western press generally doesn't report on christian terrorism, or that americans don't equate the criminal acts of a few alleged christians with the entire religion of christianity. Why? Because in europe and the united states there is a long-standing and culturally-enforced canard that christians are the "good guys" and muslims are the "bad guys". Its simply unacceptable for any american media entity to link the acts of a few criminal christians to the entire religion. That social deterrent simply does not exist when it comes to muslims. Everyone from hollywood movies, to politicians have free license in this country to caricature muslims. It used to be cool to caricature jews, but luckily we've moved beyond that. Unfortunately, muslims have not yet received the same courtesy.


You have my permission to continue to live with your islamophobia. Someday, you might leave that cave you live in and meet some muslims, some arab-americans, or some indonesians, and perhaps realize how far off base and how preposterous your caricatures of muslims are.
how preposterous your anti-islamic proclamations are. ?
islamophobia?

No different than your phobias about Conservatism and the Republican Party....of course you can't compute that can you...?

And this pathetic nonsense:
\The fact is, there are alleged christians around the world - from northern ireland, to lebanon, to india, to africa, to the united states - that cite christian theology, or passages from the bible to commit terrorism, murder, kidnappings, and the sexual enslavement of children - to justify their pathological criminality.
Only in your warped imagination...there are no bands of Christians running around the world committing terrorism on any scale...
and get a clue...the IRA was conflict was not a religious war as much as it was and is a political conflict...learn some history...

the western press generally doesn't report on christian terrorism,?
Because there is no Christian terrorism....even though there certainly are terrorists that call themselves Christians....quite a different concept.
 
Because there is no Christian terrorism....even though there certainly are terrorists that call themselves Christians....quite a different concept.


Just for my own clarification, do you say this because the Bible (in particular the New Testament) doesn't promote terrorism or religion by force while the Koran does? Is this a correct assumption on my part?
 
But the islamic teachings in the quaran are common to all muslims. It's a bunch of theocratic violent bullshit too.


I don't accept message board speculations, guesses, and hypothesizing on theological issues regarding the bible or the koran.

Those books are complicated and obscure collections of stories, poetry, and testimony of people who lived thousands of years ago, and are further complicated by historical context and events that we message boarders are either ignorant of, or are only dimly aware of.

Theological scholars study for years, receiving strict academic training in seminary schools, or religious schools to even begin to understand the meanings and context of the holy books.

If you have some links to mainstream, reputable, or moderate Islamic and Christian theologians and scholars' interpretations and research of the Koran or Bible, feel free to link me up.

Otherwise, the theological guesses, speculations, and cut-and-pastes of anonymous message boarders isn't worth anything more than a bucket of warm piss, to me.
 
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Just for my own clarification, do you say this because the Bible (in particular the New Testament) doesn't promote terrorism or religion by force while the Koran does? Is this a correct assumption on my part?
Just between us....sshhhhh !....I don't know a damn thing about what the Bible says except in the most rudimentary terms....not the Old testament, not the New Testament....
I'm quite areligious...unconcerned with and indifferent to religious matters except in everyones Constitutional right to practice it...
 
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