Is this the change we're supposed to believe in?

[blackascoal]

Just as those notions of ourselves are propaganda, it's also propaganda that the people and the government are one and the same, they are not, and that's becoming clearer each day. Your hate should be directed to the military industrial complex, and not they citizens they hold hostage with guns bought with money made out of thin air, but put on the people as THEIR DEBT.

What "hate" are you talking about?

I don't hate the American people, I simply recognize how easily manipulated we are. AND, not sure where you've been but I challenge the military/industrial complex all the time. More than you do.

Surely my admonition that war is a racket is not new to you.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

What "hate" are you talking about?

I don't hate the American people, I simply recognize how easily manipulated we are. AND, not sure where you've been but I challenge the military/industrial complex all the time. More than you do.

Surely my admonition that war is a racket is not new to you.

Let' call it ire, if you wish.

You continually lay everything on the feet of americans, as if we had any said in what fascist leaders do. This democracy is a sham.

 

[blackascoal]

My bad. Black people are awesome!

Whatever

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Whatever

black is the new black.

 

[blackascoal]

Let' call it ire, if you wish.

You continually lay everything on the feet of americans, as if we had any said in what fascist leaders do. This democracy is a sham.

I continue to quote the Declaration of Independance which clearly illustrates the duty and responsibility of citizens.

Blaming oiur problems on politicians, the media, and ghosts is folly.

WE are responsible for our government, not politicians.

 

[blackascoal]

black is the new black.

Whatever

 

[Sammy Jankis]

I continue to quote the Declaration of Independance which clearly illustrates the duty and responsibility of citizens.

Blaming oiur problems on politicians, the media, and ghosts is folly.

WE are responsible for our government, not politicians.

But they have violated the constitution to the extent that they more control than they should, given that, the blame is on them, but I'm glad you defend them, you fascist facilitator. You claim to want change, but you're strictly status quo.

 

[blackascoal]

But they have violated the constitution to the extent that they more control than they should, given that, the blame is on them, but I'm glad you defend them, you fascist facilitator. You claim to want change, but you're strictly status quo.

You don't have a clue what "facist" means. You never have. It's just a buzzword you toss at anything you don't like.

"Violated the constitution" .. the constitution requires specific and uniquely trained lawyers to even interpret what it means.

Anyone you can tell that Saddam could have "mushroom clouds over America in 45 minutes" doesn't have the capacity to interpret the constitution .. or even walk and chew gum at the same time.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Bac just got powned hard. He immediately jumps to defend the elite, when is anti-populist agenda is revealed, only proving it more real.

He's fine with blaming the entire populace for the actions of the elite.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

You don't have a clue what "facist" means. You never have. It's just a buzzword you toss at anything you don't like.

"Violated the constitution" .. the constitution requires specific and uniquely trained lawyers to even interpret what it means.

Anyone you can tell that Saddam could have "mushroom clouds over America in 45 minutes" doesn't have the capacity to interpret the constitution .. or even walk and chew gum at the same time.

The public/private partnership is fascism. Also, click the link in my sig for more about it.

 

[Damocles]

STOP THE PRESSES .. right-wingers don't like lies.



I didn't vote for Obama, but I recognize that most Americans agree with him on a great many issues and I'm pretty damn sure there won't be much outrage over banks being forced to accept anything while holding their hands out for taxpayer money.

The "change" Americans believe in is changing republicans out of power.

That is a change that makes the whole world smile.

Didn't read the story, did you? They weren't holding out their hands. They were forced to take the money. Now the "lie" portion is to point out that changing the pigmentation and party didn't much change the action, nor the expectation that party will trump logic all over again, and people will defend this because (while they didn't vote for him) they support him without reservation and regardless of the similarity of action.

When people start carefully pointing out that they didn't vote for Obama as you do, then we'll know that the some logic seemed to seep into people's actions. I don't suspect that it will change the reactive defense of anything with a D after the name, but I do suspect that it will happen.

 

[blackascoal]

Bac just got powned hard. He immediately jumps to defend the elite, when is anti-populist agenda is revealed, only proving it more real.

He's fine with blaming the entire populace for the actions of the elite.

It's always interesting having conversations with children who jump to claim "powned" as if that makes them seem more intelligent.

"powned" is for children conversations.

Feel free to blame politicians and ignore the culpability of the American people if you choose.

Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

It's always interesting having conversations with children who jump to claim "powned" as if that makes them seem more intelligent.

"powned" is for children conversations.

Feel free to blame politicians and ignore the culpability of the American people if you choose.

Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.

Keep defending them. I will keep pointing out that you're a fake populist, and actually just an elitist asswipe. Good day to you.

 

[blackascoal]

Keep defending them. I will keep pointing out that you're a fake populist, and actually just an elitist asswipe. Good day to you.

You can point out whatever the hell you like.

Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.

I don't come here to impress you .. whoever the hell you are.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

You can point out whatever the hell you like.

Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.

I don't come here to impress you .. whoever the hell you are.

Thank you. I choose to conitnually point out your fascist/elitist tendencies.

I am the impish lord of the shire.

 

[blackascoal]

Didn't read the story, did you? They weren't holding out their hands. They were forced to take the money. Now the "lie" portion is to point out that changing the pigmentation and party didn't much change the action, nor the expectation that party will trump logic all over again, and people will defend this because (while they didn't vote for him) they support him without reservation and regardless of the similarity of action.

When people start carefully pointing out that they didn't vote for Obama as you do, then we'll know that the some logic seemed to seep into people's actions. I don't suspect that it will change the reactive defense of anything with a D after the name, but I do suspect that it will happen.

Where do I begin?

The change in pigmentation and party or however you choose to define it is EXACTLY what the American people voted for ... AND, most seem happy with the results. You can call that whatever the hell you want.

The position of the Obama Administration, which I do not agree with, has been that all major banks need to be stabilized for the overall health of the banking system. I wonder if these 19 banks are the same 19 banks that underwent the stress tests which seemed to have produced the desired effect.

Nobody, not you, me, or anybody else had a definitive answer and/or solution for what ailed the banking industry. Obama was elected, the ball was in his court. If his plan works, he'll be re-elected, if it doesn't he won't.

To suggest that I support Obama without reservations is par for the course with your as usual disingenuous comments .,. but I recognize that pickings are slim these days from your side of the divide.

I forgive you.

 

[blackascoal]

Thank you. I choose to conitnually point out your fascist/elitist tendencies.

I am the impish lord of the shire.

You are indeed the Bilbo Baggins of political thought.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Where do I begin?

The change in pigmentation and party or however you choose to define it is EXACTLY what the American people voted for ... AND, most seem happy with the results. You can call that whatever the hell you want.

The position of the Obama Administration, which I do not agree with, has been that all major banks need to be stabilized for the overall health of the banking system. I wonder if these 19 banks are the same 19 banks that underwent the stress tests which seemed to have produced the desired effect.

Nobody, not you, me, or anybody else had a definitive answer and/or solution for what ailed the banking industry. Obama was elected, the ball was in his court. If his plan works, he'll be re-elected, if it doesn't he won't.

To suggest that I support Obama without reservations is par for the course with your as usual disingenuous comments .,. but I recognize that pickings are slim these days from your side of the divide.

I forgive you.

Eliminating government backed mortgages and keeping glass steagall in place would have kept all this from happening. TWO THINGS. I know them and I named them. But of course how could the fascists have brought the economy to it's knees and rationalized trillions for themselves in the process, without putting these two colossal stupidities in play?

 

[Sammy Jankis]

You are indeed the Bilbo Baggins of political thought.

Have a glass of mead, my woolly haired chum. I have not seen a person from your lands. Do tell me of your travels!

 

[Damocles]

Where do I begin?

The change in pigmentation and party or however you choose to define it is EXACTLY what the American people voted for ... AND, most seem happy with the results. You can call that whatever the hell you want.

The position of the Obama Administration, which I do not agree with, has been that all major banks need to be stabilized for the overall health of the banking system. I wonder if these 19 banks are the same 19 banks that underwent the stress tests which seemed to have produced the desired effect.

Nobody, not you, me, or anybody else had a definitive answer and/or solution for what ailed the banking industry. Obama was elected, the ball was in his court. If his plan works, he'll be re-elected, if it doesn't he won't.

To suggest that I support Obama without reservations is par for the course with your as usual disingenuous comments .,. but I recognize that pickings are slim these days from your side of the divide.

I forgive you.

Again, as long as they continue the same programs it really is only a cosmetic change. Changing lipstick colors on the same pig, so to speak.

I can call it like I see it without regard of worrying about your suggestion that I should call it something else. I can point out inconsistencies, I can point out how the ideas mesh with what the "despised" implemented. Yes, I can do all of that, even though you keep insisting it is "change". Only one of us is standing in reality, the other one is still riding the unicorn of change into the world of rainbows and expecting it to poop butterflies.

The position of the Obama administration has been to take control of private institutions by force if they didn't need or want the "hand out" that you stated they were begging for. Not just Rs will dislike this.

I didn't suggest you did support Obama without reservation, I suggest that most of the people with Ds after their name will support party without reservation regardless of similarity of action with the person they despised and their insistence that only Rs do such. However, I continued, we'll begin to know that some piece of logic is seeping in when they start claiming they "never voted for Obama" like you already do. I then stated that I suspected that such a future will exist.