IS this shit true

NOVA

U. S. NAVY Veteran
:palm:....and if it is, .....why do we allow it...


No one has been able to explain to me why young men and women serve in the U.S. Military for 20 years, risking their lives protecting freedom, and only get 50% of their pay. While Politicians hold their political positions in the safe confines of the capital, protected by these same men and women, and receive full pay retirement after serving one term.

Monday on Fox news they learned that the staffers of Congress family members are exempt from having to pay back student loans. This will get national attention if other news networks will broadcast it. When you add this to the message below, just where will all of it stop?

Members of Congress could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws.

Members of Congress exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform... In all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn't seem logical.
 
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The actual program is not as bad as what you posted-but it is still bad and is as follows-It is an Obama policy and it unfairly supports government jobs only at the tax payers expense:


Origins: Various statements circulated on the Internet have claimed that all staffers working for members of Congress are automatically exempted from having to repay their student loan obligations. (These statements have sometimes been garbled into similar claims that "staffers of Congress family members are exempt from having to pay back student loans" or simply "congressional family members are exempt from having to pay back student loans.") However, no law or program automatically exempts all congressional staffers and family members from having to repay their student loan obligations.


The claim that all such persons are so exempted is based upon a misunderstanding of one particular federal employment program which provides some federal employees assistance in paying back student loans up to a certain amount, depending upon income level, length of employment, and other requirements.

The claim references the Federal Student Loan Repayment Program, which is essentially a discretionary benefit that can be offered by federal agencies to select employees as an aid in hiring and retaining qualified personnel for some important and hard-to-fill positions. The program has been used by many different federal government agencies (not just Congress), it does not apply to everyone who works for those agencies, and it does not forgive student loans in full.

As noted in the page describing the Federal Student Loan Repayment Program on the web site of the United States Office of Personnel Management (OPM):

The Federal student loan repayment program permits agencies to repay Federally insured student loans as a recruitment or retention incentive for candidates or current employees of the agency.

Although the student loan is not forgiven, agencies may make payments to the loan holder of up to a maximum of $10,000 for an employee in a calendar year and a total of not more than $60,000 for any one employee.

An employee receiving this benefit must sign a service agreement to remain in the service of the paying agency for a period of at least 3 years. An employee must reimburse the paying agency for all benefits received if he or she is separated voluntarily or separated involuntarily for misconduct, unacceptable performance, or a negative suitability determination. In addition, an employee must maintain an acceptable level of performance in order to continue to receive repayment benefits.

Employees enrolled in the program must count such assistance as income and pay taxes on it.

According to a 2009 press release issued by the OPM about the purpose of the student loan repayment program:

"The program is part of a directed effort for agencies to compete with the higher salaries offered in the private sector and maintain a highly skilled workforce," said OPM Director John Berry. "President Barack Obama has highlighted the importance of recruitment and retention tools and asked each agency to do its part to ensure 'this Government is as efficient as possible and that every taxpayer dollar that is spent is being spent wisely.' We have many critical skills gaps in the Federal government and we need to use every tool in our tool box to bring the best service to the American public. During my tenure, I intend to carry out the President's call of efficiency and good stewardship and encourage agencies to use student loan repayments in targeted and strategic ways."

According to the OPM's August 2010 annual report on the Federal Student Loan Repayment Program, during the previous year 36 different federal agencies provided 8,454 employees with a total of more than $61.8 million in student loan repayment benefits, with the program being used most frequently to recruit and retain criminal investigators, attorneys, and intelligence analysts. The report also noted that "the six agencies making the most extensive use of student loan repayments" did not include Congress, but comprised "the Departments of Justice, Defense, Health and Human Services, and State, the Securities and Exchange Commission, and the Government Accountability Office," who between them accounted for over 80% of such expenditures.

The Federal Student Loan Repayment Program applies only to employees of federal agencies. It does not cover loans made to their children or other family members, and it does not provide student loan benefits to congressional family members.
 
The actual program is not as bad as what you posted-but it is still bad and is as follows-It is an Obama policy and it unfairly supports government jobs only at the tax payers expense:


Origins: Various statements circulated on the Internet have claimed that all staffers working for members of Congress are automatically exempted from having to repay their student loan obligations. (These statements have sometimes been garbled into similar claims that "staffers of Congress family members are exempt from having to pay back student loans" or simply "congressional family members are exempt from having to pay back student loans.") However, no law or program automatically exempts all congressional staffers and family members from having to repay their student loan obligations.


The claim that all such persons are so exempted is based upon a misunderstanding of one particular federal employment program which provides some federal employees assistance in paying back student loans up to a certain amount, depending upon income level, length of employment, and other requirements.

The claim references the Federal Student Loan Repayment Program, which is essentially a discretionary benefit that can be offered by federal agencies to select employees as an aid in hiring and retaining qualified personnel for some important and hard-to-fill positions. The program has been used by many different federal government agencies (not just Congress), it does not apply to everyone who works for those agencies, and it does not forgive student loans in full.

As noted in the page describing the Federal Student Loan Repayment Program on the web site of the United States Office of Personnel Management (OPM):

The Federal student loan repayment program permits agencies to repay Federally insured student loans as a recruitment or retention incentive for candidates or current employees of the agency.

Although the student loan is not forgiven, agencies may make payments to the loan holder of up to a maximum of $10,000 for an employee in a calendar year and a total of not more than $60,000 for any one employee.

An employee receiving this benefit must sign a service agreement to remain in the service of the paying agency for a period of at least 3 years. An employee must reimburse the paying agency for all benefits received if he or she is separated voluntarily or separated involuntarily for misconduct, unacceptable performance, or a negative suitability determination. In addition, an employee must maintain an acceptable level of performance in order to continue to receive repayment benefits.

Employees enrolled in the program must count such assistance as income and pay taxes on it.

According to a 2009 press release issued by the OPM about the purpose of the student loan repayment program:

"The program is part of a directed effort for agencies to compete with the higher salaries offered in the private sector and maintain a highly skilled workforce," said OPM Director John Berry. "President Barack Obama has highlighted the importance of recruitment and retention tools and asked each agency to do its part to ensure 'this Government is as efficient as possible and that every taxpayer dollar that is spent is being spent wisely.' We have many critical skills gaps in the Federal government and we need to use every tool in our tool box to bring the best service to the American public. During my tenure, I intend to carry out the President's call of efficiency and good stewardship and encourage agencies to use student loan repayments in targeted and strategic ways."

According to the OPM's August 2010 annual report on the Federal Student Loan Repayment Program, during the previous year 36 different federal agencies provided 8,454 employees with a total of more than $61.8 million in student loan repayment benefits, with the program being used most frequently to recruit and retain criminal investigators, attorneys, and intelligence analysts. The report also noted that "the six agencies making the most extensive use of student loan repayments" did not include Congress, but comprised "the Departments of Justice, Defense, Health and Human Services, and State, the Securities and Exchange Commission, and the Government Accountability Office," who between them accounted for over 80% of such expenditures.

The Federal Student Loan Repayment Program applies only to employees of federal agencies. It does not cover loans made to their children or other family members, and it does not provide student loan benefits to congressional family members.


The Federal Student Loan Repayment Program isn't an "Obama policy." It has been in place since 1990 and was last amended in 2003.
 
In his State of the Union 2010 speech, President Barack Obama mentioned student loan relief for college graduates who are struggling to make payments:

"...[L]et's tell another one million students that when they graduate, they will be required to pay only ten percent of their income on student loans, and all of their debt will be forgiven after twenty years - and forgiven after ten years if they choose a career in public service. Because in the United States of America, no one should go broke because they chose to go to college."

What he's talking about is a modification to the Income-Based Repayment program (IBR) that was created in 2007. The current program forgives certain unpaid federal student loans after 25 years, or 10 years for people who work in public service. Borrowers enrolled in the program pay a lower monthly payment based on income, family size, and loan amount as long as the monthly payment is lower than what would be paid on a standard 10-year repayment plan.

The Obama-Biden administration wants to modify the program to cap federal student loan payments at 10% of the borrower's discretionary income (vs. 15%) and forgive unpaid federal student loans after 20 years (vs. 25).

If and when the modifications are made it could be good news for college students, assuming no future President repeals the rules.

There could be a few drawbacks. First, the overall amount of interest paid on the loan could increase since it's taking more time to repay the loan. The size of the loan could grow if your monthly payments aren't high enough to reduce the interest. Second, you could owe tax on the loans forgiven if it's more than $600. A bill that's currently in Congress, H.R. 2492, would eliminate this tax, but it's been in the first stage of the process since last May. If you'd like to see it moved forward, write your Congressman. Unfortunately, the proposal doesn't apply to private student loans.

Update 8/10/10: The Health Care Bill that passed this year included provisions for federal student loan repayments, but the rules only apply to loans taken out after July 22, 2014. For federal student loans taken out after July 22, 2014, income-based payments will be based on 10% of the borrowers discretionary income. Loans can be forgiven after 20 years.
 
In his State of the Union 2010 speech, President Barack Obama mentioned student loan relief for college graduates who are struggling to make payments:

"...[L]et's tell another one million students that when they graduate, they will be required to pay only ten percent of their income on student loans, and all of their debt will be forgiven after twenty years - and forgiven after ten years if they choose a career in public service. Because in the United States of America, no one should go broke because they chose to go to college."

What he's talking about is a modification to the Income-Based Repayment program (IBR) that was created in 2007. The current program forgives certain unpaid federal student loans after 25 years, or 10 years for people who work in public service. Borrowers enrolled in the program pay a lower monthly payment based on income, family size, and loan amount as long as the monthly payment is lower than what would be paid on a standard 10-year repayment plan.

The Obama-Biden administration wants to modify the program to cap federal student loan payments at 10% of the borrower's discretionary income (vs. 15%) and forgive unpaid federal student loans after 20 years (vs. 25).

If and when the modifications are made it could be good news for college students, assuming no future President repeals the rules.

There could be a few drawbacks. First, the overall amount of interest paid on the loan could increase since it's taking more time to repay the loan. The size of the loan could grow if your monthly payments aren't high enough to reduce the interest. Second, you could owe tax on the loans forgiven if it's more than $600. A bill that's currently in Congress, H.R. 2492, would eliminate this tax, but it's been in the first stage of the process since last May. If you'd like to see it moved forward, write your Congressman. Unfortunately, the proposal doesn't apply to private student loans.

Update 8/10/10: The Health Care Bill that passed this year included provisions for federal student loan repayments, but the rules only apply to loans taken out after July 22, 2014. For federal student loans taken out after July 22, 2014, income-based payments will be based on 10% of the borrowers discretionary income. Loans can be forgiven after 20 years.


And?
 
No, it isn't true. One term is not long enough for even a Senator to get "full retirement"... They work on a pro-rated scale and it would take a long career for them to get "full retirement"...

One term Congressmen, get nada. It takes three terms for them to get even 6% of their pay as "retirement", and then only when they are old enough to get it.
 
a perfect example of the 'elite' building their own safety net under our noses, yet we refuse to make any changes because most of the partisan people are too afraid that their political agenda will be forgotten.
 
:palm:....and if it is, .....why do we allow it...


No one has been able to explain to me why young men and women serve in the U.S. Military for 20 years, risking their lives protecting freedom, and only get 50% of their pay.

I'm confused about this part....is THIS true?....
 
Now that you are aware that Fox News lied to you, WHEN will you begin to question what they tell you? It wasn't a mistake, it was a LIE.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/studentloans.asp

Hardly a lie, but certainly a mis-interpretation of the program....like snopes says..."The claim that all such persons are so exempted is based upon a misunderstanding of one particular federal employment program which provides some federal employees assistance in paying back student loans up to a certain amount, depending upon income level, length of employment, and other requirements.
But is would nice so see the actual statement that Fox made, rather than what is quoted in the op

The Federal student loan repayment program permits agencies to repay Federally insured student loans as a recruitment or retention incentive for candidates or current employees of the agency.

Although the student loan is not forgiven, agencies may make payments to the loan holder of up to a maximum of $10,000 for an employee in a calendar year and a total of not more than $60,000 for any one employee.
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I figured the provocative post would get a lilttle action going....but I'll take some bullshit for it eventually....
 
I'm confused about this part....is THIS true?....

I addressed this earlier, it is not true. While there was a time where a short stint in the Congress could net you some retirement, it is not currently accurate. One must serve over 5 years to get any retirement at all.

1. They must pay into Social Security.
2. Their retirement program is pro-rated by time served.
3. They are not eligible for any retirement until 5 full years of service, then it begins small and builds over time.
4. They cannot get any money until they are over 50, and then only if they have served 20 full years (early retirement benefits)...

They can get their benefits at any age if they have served 25 years (does this sound familiar? It should for a guy in the military).

It depends on time served and their salary. Their three highest years if they are fully vested count, but they can never receive full pay, 80% is the most they can get...
 
Hardly a lie, but certainly a mis-interpretation of the program....like snopes says..."The claim that all such persons are so exempted is based upon a misunderstanding of one particular federal employment program which provides some federal employees assistance in paying back student loans up to a certain amount, depending upon income level, length of employment, and other requirements.
But is would nice so see the actual statement that Fox made, rather than what is quoted in the op

The Federal student loan repayment program permits agencies to repay Federally insured student loans as a recruitment or retention incentive for candidates or current employees of the agency.

Although the student loan is not forgiven, agencies may make payments to the loan holder of up to a maximum of $10,000 for an employee in a calendar year and a total of not more than $60,000 for any one employee.
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I figured the provocative post would get a lilttle action going....but I'll take some bullshit for it eventually....

Hardly the truth. I don't buy it Damo. Fox News doesn't deal in any truths, they broadcast pure propaganda. Just like all the rest of the right wing talking heads the story line's the same; every problem in America is caused by the liberals and every solution can only come from the right.

I've lived too long and seen too much to believe any of it. If any blanket statement were true, it would be the exact opposite. Conservatives have destroyed this country, and they are even more radical and destructive than they were in 70's, 80's or 90's.
 
Hardly the truth. I don't buy it Damo. Fox News doesn't deal in any truths, they broadcast pure propaganda. Just like all the rest of the right wing talking heads the story line's the same; every problem in America is caused by the liberals and every solution can only come from the right.

I've lived too long and seen too much to believe any of it. If any blanket statement were true, it would be the exact opposite. Conservatives have destroyed this country, and they are even more radical and destructive than they were in 70's, 80's or 90's.

Why are you quoting bravo and talking to me?
 
Hardly the truth. I don't buy it Damo. Fox News doesn't deal in any truths, they broadcast pure propaganda. Just like all the rest of the right wing talking heads the story line's the same; every problem in America is caused by the liberals and every solution can only come from the right.

I've lived too long and seen too much to believe any of it. If any blanket statement were true, it would be the exact opposite. Conservatives have destroyed this country, and they are even more radical and destructive than they were in 70's, 80's or 90's.


Sometimes you almost come across as relatively sane....then you destroy the illusion and post something as fuckin' stupid as this...

Maybe thats the problem, you've lived too long....liberal dementia is settling in, or more like Democrat political dementia....either way, its best to stfu and not advertise it....
 
Sometimes you almost come across as relatively sane....then you destroy the illusion and post something as fuckin' stupid as this...

Maybe thats the problem, you've lived too long....liberal dementia is settling in, or more like Democrat political dementia....either way, its best to stfu and not advertise it....

Translation: I pwned myself with this thread.

Signed, Bravo
 
¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;812580 said:
Translation: I pwned myself with this thread.

Signed, Bravo
Yeah...I knew that the second I hit "enter"...but I thought what the hell.....its just like kicking a hornets nest.....takes balls, its fun, and I stirred up a little action
of what was a damn boring evening.....
 
Sometimes you almost come across as relatively sane....then you destroy the illusion and post something as fuckin' stupid as this...

Maybe thats the problem, you've lived too long....liberal dementia is settling in, or more like Democrat political dementia....either way, its best to stfu and not advertise it....

In a strange sense I am more of a conservative than any of you right wing ideologues. I want MY country back. From the New Deal through the Great Society I witnessed a boom in the middle class, a consistent set of laws and Supreme Court rulings that gave the little guy rights to overcome the big guys and families with the ability to have a sole provider, a stay at home mom and a community based economy. BIG has destroyed that society, but it is not big government, it is BIG corporations. They have eviscerated the mom & pop small businesses, family owned stores, bakeries, grocery stores, clothing stores, butcher shops etc. We have become a consumer based society and the trades, skills, knowledge and JOBS that were once passed on from father to son are gone.

My solution to our economic problems is to go back to community based economies again. Walmart, the super grocery chains and all the BIG guys would be out.
 
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