Is the United States unraveling?

Dutch Uncle said:
He conceded shortly after the election then retracted it. That initial concession caused problems in court. Trump is a fucking moron, but no candidate should concede until all the votes are counted, including legitimate recounts.

That point is completely separate from someone falsely claiming an election was rigged and abusing their office to fabricate evidence.
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Agree w/ the bolded. Not sure how he's abusing the office to fabricate evidence.
Regardless , this was an unusual election with mail ins and different rules in different states. E.g., Alaska is just starting to count the mail ins today. Ridiculous.
But with the closeness of several states that can make a difference in the final outcome votes need to be recounted. Many (most?) states have mandatory recounts when results are this close.
Anyways I had to hold my nose to vote for Trump. He's an ass, but like I said many times before, I felt like I was forced to choose sides. Normally I vote libertarian.
Hope we never have mail in voting again unless there is an agreed on nationwide standard.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
you should also be aware that when people have nothing left, they are willing to commit the most bloodshed...........so, by all means, feel free to shut out those you dislike in your cause for unity. It will only lead to the demise of us all
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Thats what the other side is doing. Trump is taking democracy.
 
Jarod said:
Imagine South Carolina president Lindsey Graham negotiating with Putin.
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ha ha ha
Imagine a corrupt Biden negotiating with China's Xi! we wont have to imagine much longer.
Bback to IP theft, forced Intellectual property sharing, closed markets, and dumping.. happy daze!
 
Trump claims fraud with no evidence.
Trump Claims he won, when he lost.

Those two things are harmful to democracy.
 
anonymoose said:
Agree w/ the bolded. Not sure how he's abusing the office to fabricate evidence.
Regardless , this was an unusual election with mail ins and different rules in different states. E.g., Alaska is just starting to count the mail ins today. Ridiculous.
But with the closeness of several states that can make a difference in the final outcome votes need to be recounted. Many (most?) states have mandatory recounts when results are this close.
Anyways I had to hold my nose to vote for Trump. He's an ass, but like I said many times before, I felt like I was forced to choose sides. Normally I vote libertarian.
Hope we never have mail in voting again unless there is an agreed on nationwide standard.
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It's one thing to express concern and it's another to lie and twist all rules in order to cheat the outcome. I'm content to let all the votes be counted, and recounted where required, before declaring the winner of any election.

I'm against people abusing their office to by doing the political equivalent of falsely screaming "FIRE!" in a crowded theater. Any who do so should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

It's a fabrication to falsely declare what doesn't exist.
 
we're back with the WTO governing US/China relations and the Paris accords fining western countries
for China and India emissions??? ROFL..

"America Last" is Biden's motto.. "Make America bend to globalists" as well
 
dukkha said:
we're back with the WTO governing US/China relations and the Paris accords fining western countries
for China and India emissions??? ROFL..

"America Last" is Biden's motto.. "Make America bend to globalists" as well
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When did that ever happen, comrade dukkha? Do you understand the difference between participating in a co-op and going it alone? Do you understand that people who can quit a group are not being "governed" them?

I know the fucking Russians are paranoid, partly due to the fact they have a colonialist mindset. They consider independent states like Chechnya, Georgia and Ukraine to be servants of Mother Russia and will do anything to get them back. Isn't that Mission #1, comrade? Rebuild the Evil Empire?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
When did that ever happen, comrade dukkha? Do you understand the difference between participating in a co-op and going it alone? Do you understand that people who can quit a group are not being "governed" them?
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such verbose hubris.
bilateral treaties enable the US to use it's economic clout, as opposed to "filling grievances" with the WTO,
that we win but are not enforced.

Talk less -think more
 
Jarod said:
That was 1 STATE and 500 votes.
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Well now we have what, 6 states in question? Not sure of your point or if there is one.
Jarod said:
And the Republicans went ape shit.
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Not to the degree dims have been behaving the last 4 yrs. First safe rooms, stuffed unicorns, coloring books, wearing diaper pins, then the antifa riots protesting the 1st Amendment physically assaulting police horses, the Mueller investigation of the Russia hoax , the Kav hearings with the Hail Mary of the deranged triggered owl looking nut case, progressing to riots and looting, warlords burning police stations and taking control of city blocks demanding protection money in those areas all while dims in control complacently watch.
Yeah, shame on republicans.
 
dukkha said:
such verbose hubris.
bilateral treaties enable the US to use it's economic clout, as opposed to "filling grievances" with the WTO,
that we win but are not enforced.

Talk less -think more
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Translation: I'm going to throw a lot of Russian ox shit your way so stand back!

The fact Trump so easily broke those agreements proves they never governed the United States. Try again, comrade dukkha.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Translation: I'm going to throw a lot of Russian ox shit your way so stand back!
The fact Trump so easily broke those agreements proves they never governed the United States. Try again, comrade dukkha.
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we followed the WTO protocols -is that governing? why the semantics? that was the basis of trade.

Trump pulled us out, because it wasn't a treaty he could do that -Biden puts us back in the box -
same reasoning..Biden is a globalist fuck up ,again same reasoning -no Russians needed
 
anonymoose said:
So am I.
https://mises.org/library/what-classical-liberalism

Switzerland Bans Welfare Recipients From Obtaining Citizenship
Swiss news site The Local reports that new laws taking effect this month will make it even more difficult for immigrants to obtain citizenship.

It has apparently been established law for some time that immigrants collecting social benefits are barred from naturalization. The new law, however, now also prohibits naturalization if an applicant has accepted social benefits at any time during the previous three years.

An exception is made if the benefits “are paid back in full.”
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/01...elfare-recipients-from-obtaining-citizenship/
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Makes perfect sense. Who wants a nation of deadbeats weighing them down?
 
Hello Jarod,

Jarod said:
Maybe it is a good thing.

For way to many years evil people have used our Constitution and our government to help then commit terrible acts. If the Government would fall apart we could make some real significant chances. Clearly the majority of Americans are on the side I sit on, and that would help. WE could let the poor states like Alabama and Mississippi and South Carolina make a go of it on their own and see what happens. The wealthy states would be much more prosperous.

Maybe I should be cheering for Trump to complete the job of dismantling the Constitution.
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No.

It is our Union and we are keeping it. All of it.

We are keeping all 50 States.

We have been through tough times before.

We are not letting an unscrupulous greedy bigot tear down the USA.

We must protect and defend out Constitution from all enemies both foreign AND DOMESTIC.

There are Biden voters in any State you think doesn't belong. We let no one down. All 50 STAY.
 
dukkha said:
we followed the WTO protocols -is that governing? why the semantics? that was the basis of trade.

Trump pulled us out, because it wasn't a treaty he could do that -Biden puts us back in the box -
same reasoning..Biden is a globalist fuck up ,again same reasoning -no Russians needed
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No, it's not, but I don't expect beet picking Russians to know the difference, comrade duhhka.
 
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