Is single payer healthcare really what you want?

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Sally C. Pipes is president and chief executive officer of the Pacific Research Institute, a San Francisco-based think tank, and the Thomas W. Smith Fellow in Health Care Policy at PRI. She previously served as the assistant director of the Fraser Institute in Canada. She is the author of The Cure for Obamacare (Encounter, 2013), The Truth about Obamacare (Regnery 2010), The Pipes Plan: The Top 10 Ways to Dismantle and Replace Obamacare (Regnery 2012). She writes a biweekly health care column for Forbes.

Sally Pipes really shined a light on this topic tonight. She spoke on what's going on in Canada and the U.K. and shares a lot of knowledge on how it would impact the U.S.

 
That video is a tad disingenuous. In the UK many companies provide private medical insurance as a company perk. There are several companies doing this including AXA PPP, BUPA, WPA and Aviva.
 
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I think I'm beginning to see why recently Dems have called for free college education for those studying to become doctors. Maybe they think they'll be so happy about that, that they won't mind earning half of what they would make in private practice. Hmmmmmmm :thinking:
 
Stretch said:
I think I'm beginning to see why recently Dems have called for free college education for those studying to become doctors. Maybe they think they'll be so happy about that, that they won't mind earning half of what they would make in private practice. Hmmmmmmm :thinking:
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On setting up the NHS, Labour had to agree that consultants could do private work once their NHS duties were discharged. That's how they were persuaded to join and that continues to this day.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...ies/features/the-birth-of-the-nhs-856091.html
 
Stretch said:
I think I'm beginning to see why recently Dems have called for free college education for those studying to become doctors. Maybe they think they'll be so happy about that, that they won't mind earning half of what they would make in private practice. Hmmmmmmm :thinking:
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So having highly-paid doctors is better for you than all of your fellow citizens having coverage?

I hate to admit that Havana is right, but he is. Many countries with a national insurance plan also have private companies offering supplemental insurance. Most of us on Medicare buy it as well. Letting corporations off the hook for the huge expense of providing employee insurance is a winner for them, and for us as well. They could be taxed slightly higher to offset the cost to federal premiums, and still be able to make a profit. They can offer supplemental insurance as a hiring incentive.
 
Germany's health care system seems pretty healthy. From Wikipedia:

"According to the Euro health consumer index, which placed it in 7th position in its 2015 survey, Germany has long had the most restriction-free and consumer-oriented healthcare system in Europe. Patients are allowed to seek almost any type of care they wish whenever they want it.[10] The governmental health system in Germany is currently keeping a record reserve of more than 18 billion Euros, which makes it one of the healthiest health systems in the world.[11]"
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Germany)
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
So having highly-paid doctors is better for you than all of your fellow citizens having coverage?

I hate to admit that Havana is right, but he is. Many countries with a national insurance plan also have private companies offering supplemental insurance. Most of us on Medicare buy it as well. Letting corporations off the hook for the huge expense of providing employee insurance is a winner for them, and for us as well. They could be taxed slightly higher to offset the cost to federal premiums, and still be able to make a profit. They can offer supplemental insurance as a hiring incentive.
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Yeah that's me. I want all people to wait to be seen by doctors when they determine a life is worth it and in the end just die anyway.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Germany's health care system seems pretty healthy. From Wikipedia:

"According to the Euro health consumer index, which placed it in 7th position in its 2015 survey, Germany has long had the most restriction-free and consumer-oriented healthcare system in Europe. Patients are allowed to seek almost any type of care they wish whenever they want it.[10] The governmental health system in Germany is currently keeping a record reserve of more than 18 billion Euros, which makes it one of the healthiest health systems in the world.[11]"
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Germany)
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But, Germany is a mess in its 4th reich mode now.
 
Hello Stretch,

Stretch said:
I think I'm beginning to see why recently Dems have called for free college education for those studying to become doctors. Maybe they think they'll be so happy about that, that they won't mind earning half of what they would make in private practice. Hmmmmmmm :thinking:
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There is no reason that select people should be getting fabulously rich off health care while so many go without. That cannot be a good system. We have to do better.

The goal of health care should not be to get rich.

The proper goal of health care should be to make and keep America healthy.

Capitalism has no interest in producing a healthy nation. Capitalism would only help improve the health of anyone if there is a profit to be made in doing it. The problem is, of course, many people who need health care cannot afford to make somebody rich in order to obtain it.

Capitalism doesn't care about people.

Lives and health care are meaningless to capitalism. Capitalism doesn't help people. It uses them.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
So having highly-paid doctors is better for you than all of your fellow citizens having coverage?

I hate to admit that Havana is right, but he is. Many countries with a national insurance plan also have private companies offering supplemental insurance. Most of us on Medicare buy it as well. Letting corporations off the hook for the huge expense of providing employee insurance is a winner for them, and for us as well. They could be taxed slightly higher to offset the cost to federal premiums, and still be able to make a profit. They can offer supplemental insurance as a hiring incentive.
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Sorry about that, just take two ibuprofen and go lie down in a darkened room for a while.
 
When people serve our nation in the military they are not doing it to get rich. They are doing it to serve their nation.

A national force of health care workers could have the same exact motivation.
 
"Is single payer healthcare really what you want?"

No. It is a compromise I would accept.

What I really want is a national health care service.
 
People with some money have insurance. People who don't have Medicaid. And, both can use State Health Departments.
 
Stretch said:
People with some money have insurance. People who don't have Medicaid. And, both can use State Health Departments.
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Many ppl fall in between, Stretch. Many lower- and entry-level jobs do not offer health insurance. Some do but it's too costly for employees to opt for. For instance, my first job out of nursing school was in a SNF operated by a large health care chain. They offered employees a choice: they could get a higher per-hour salary if they opted out of the health insurance. I opted to take it because I didn't have any. It was almost $400/month... just for me. It would have been even higher if I had added my daughters to it. Fortunately they were covered under their dad's plan. Please let me know how you think a CNA making $11/hour could afford $400 taken out of her check?
 
Stretch said:
Sally C. Pipes is president and chief executive officer of the Pacific Research Institute, a San Francisco-based think tank, and the Thomas W. Smith Fellow in Health Care Policy at PRI. She previously served as the assistant director of the Fraser Institute in Canada. She is the author of The Cure for Obamacare (Encounter, 2013), The Truth about Obamacare (Regnery 2010), The Pipes Plan: The Top 10 Ways to Dismantle and Replace Obamacare (Regnery 2012). She writes a biweekly health care column for Forbes.

Sally Pipes really shined a light on this topic tonight. She spoke on what's going on in Canada and the U.K. and shares a lot of knowledge on how it would impact the U.S.

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LOVED this lady and this interview. She has lived under the failed and inept Canadian system. Why anyone with a brain would want something failed is beyond me. The Party of the Jackass define failure.
 
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