Yep. And those who are the truly faithful don't go on message boards and call ppl names, slander, lie, bear false witness, and judge others.
Is Red Team here at JPP mostly Christian Jihadists?
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Yep. And those who are the truly faithful don't go on message boards and call ppl names, slander, lie, bear false witness, and judge others.
Since most of the colonies were settled by Christian sects and almost 100% of the Founders and immigrants were nominally Christian, there was no need to point out the blatantly obvious; everyone already knew that fact. The establishment clause is itself a direct principle taken from a major platform of an evangelical sect, the Baptists; it limited the Federal govt.'s interference in naming an official sect for the entire country, while the individual states themselves were free to legislate favored sects for themselves, complete with taxing powers, and several did indeed keep their state sects; the last state to do away with their state sect was Massachusetts, in 1835. They went away due to demographic changes and elections, not because of the establishment clause; there was no right to freedom from religion in the Bill of Rights. It was in fact the evangelicals of 'The Second Great Awakening', mostly Baptists, Methodists, and Presbyterians, who elected Thomas Jefferson to his terms as President, almost to a man.
Jefferson Bible:
"Thomas Jefferson was known as an inventor and tinkerer. But this time he was tinkering with something held sacred by hundreds of millions of people: the Bible."
"Using his clippings, the aging third president created a New Testament of his own—one that most Christians would hardly recognize. This Bible was focused only on Jesus, but none of his mystical works. It didn’t include major scenes like the resurrection or ascension to heaven, or miracles like turning water into wine or walking on water. Instead, Jefferson’s Bible focused on Jesus as a man of morals, a teacher whose truths were expressed without the help of miracles or the supernatural powers of God."
https://www.history.com/news/thomas-jefferson-bible-religious-beliefs
"Thomas Jefferson was known as an inventor and tinkerer. But this time he was tinkering with something held sacred by hundreds of millions of people: the Bible."
"Using his clippings, the aging third president created a New Testament of his own—one that most Christians would hardly recognize. This Bible was focused only on Jesus, but none of his mystical works. It didn’t include major scenes like the resurrection or ascension to heaven, or miracles like turning water into wine or walking on water. Instead, Jefferson’s Bible focused on Jesus as a man of morals, a teacher whose truths were expressed without the help of miracles or the supernatural powers of God."
https://www.history.com/news/thomas-jefferson-bible-religious-beliefs
Jefferson was a Christian and stated so several times, and he was only one Founder out of 225 or so; he also was very concerned to not alienate the Baptists and other evangelicals, who were his base against the Federalists. Revisionists like to invent all kinds of false narratives re Jefferson, since there is not much in real life they can point to re the Founders when it comes to Xian bashing and desperately hoping to downplay its importance in our nation's political and legal groundings. Most things done by humans fall short of ideals, it's not news, but left wingers and pagans never even try to live up to theirs at all.
Thomas Jefferson was a follower of Epicurus.
"– Thomas Jefferson to William Short, October 31, 1819 This letter contains Jefferson’s explicit endorsement of Epicureanism along with his statement “I too am an Epicurean.” Jefferson shows here that he understood Epicurus’ true views to have been grossly misrepresented, and that he understood Epicurus to have been the arch-enemy of Platonism. Jefferson also states that he considered Jesus of Nazareth to have been a man of great personal merit bent on reforming the corrupt theology of Judaism, but that the theology that Jesus’ followers developed after his death was a fabrication built on a corrupt variation of Platonism."
https://newepicurean.com/suggested-...sons-letter-to-william-short-october-31-1819/
"– Thomas Jefferson to William Short, October 31, 1819 This letter contains Jefferson’s explicit endorsement of Epicureanism along with his statement “I too am an Epicurean.” Jefferson shows here that he understood Epicurus’ true views to have been grossly misrepresented, and that he understood Epicurus to have been the arch-enemy of Platonism. Jefferson also states that he considered Jesus of Nazareth to have been a man of great personal merit bent on reforming the corrupt theology of Judaism, but that the theology that Jesus’ followers developed after his death was a fabrication built on a corrupt variation of Platonism."
https://newepicurean.com/suggested-...sons-letter-to-william-short-october-31-1819/
"During his political career, Jefferson’s religious views—or lack thereof—drew fire from his fellow colonists and citizens. The Federalists charged him with atheism and rebellion against Christianity during the vicious 1800 election. Among them was Theodore Dwight, a journalist who claimed that Jefferson’s election would shoo in the end of Christianity itself. “Murder, robbery, rape, adultery, and incest will be openly taught and practiced, the air will be rent with the cries of distress, the soil will be soaked with blood, the nation black with crimes,” he prophesied."
https://www.history.com/news/thomas-jefferson-bible-religious-beliefs
We have at least two of his letters, both to close friends of his, as opposed to lobbying letters to political allies and enemies, where he states specifically that he is a Christian. Since he was also known to have spent considerable time burning a lot of his correspondence as neared his final years and left these two, it's safe to say he considered himself one. He was also known as 'The Sphinx', because it was almost impossible to pin him down on anything. I don't put much stock in what his opponents say about him at any given time, they were all politicians, and even what he says for public consumption means little as well, since he was noted for saying whatever he thought was needed for any given time as well. The Federalists were largely Anglicans, hence the evangelicals support for their main opponents. In those days, journalists were all hired as pamphleteers by all sides, and all newspapers were partisan funded enterprises. Naturally they would try and drive a wedge between Jefferson and his Republican base.
I will also add that Jefferson played no role in and didn't attend the Constitutional Convention of 1787; Madison was the star player in that.
Given that several of the states had established religious sects, and most of them different sects, it is also a given they would never agree to grant the same powers to the Federal govt., hence the popularity of the Baptist platform and its inclusion in the Bill of Rights, and its also a given the Feds would never be allowed to dictate such restrictions to any state government for the same reasons.
Given that several of the states had established religious sects, and most of them different sects, it is also a given they would never agree to grant the same powers to the Federal govt., hence the popularity of the Baptist platform and its inclusion in the Bill of Rights, and its also a given the Feds would never be allowed to dictate such restrictions to any state government for the same reasons.
"Jefferson took the issue of religion very seriously. A man of the Enlightenment, he certainly applied to himself the advice which he gave to his nephew Peter Carr in 1787: "Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."1 Jefferson read broadly on the topic, including studying different religions, and while he often claimed that religion was a private matter “between Man & his God,” he frequently discussed religion."
https://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/jeffersons-religious-beliefs
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https://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/jeffersons-religious-beliefs
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"While Jefferson was a firm theist, the God in which he believed was not the traditional Christian divinity. Jefferson rejected the notion of the Trinity and Jesus’ divinity. He rejected Biblical miracles, the resurrection, the atonement, and original sin (believing that God could not fault or condemn all humanity for the sins of others, a gross injustice).10 In neither the eighteenth century nor today would most people consider a person with those views a “Christian.” "
https://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/jeffersons-religious-beliefs
https://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/jeffersons-religious-beliefs
saltydancin
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So little more than a means for the current national religion Islamophobia pedophilia of Christianity to utilize Jefferson's "every form of tyranny over the mind of man" from their second coming SCOTUS fabricated misnomer immaculate drug conception "man is God" standing for those burning Bush's 9/11 Al Qaeda "death to the infidels" health care plan resulting in deaths of thousands of Americans to be considered Christian is more Neanderthal than medieval to condemn humanity.
Just another invalid opinion based on no facts and lots of wishful thinking. All of his remaining letters can be found online at the University Of Virginia's website, so there is nothing to dispute what I've said; it's all on record from Jefferson himself. And, as also already pointed out, Jefferson's views aren't the views of all the Founders, or even a few of them, so it's irrelevant even if he was the Poster Boy for the atheists and their blatant misrepresentation of the establishment clause. There is no right to freedom from Christianity in the Constitution, regardless of whatever convenient quotes made by Jefferson, mostly ignoring who and what context he was addressing any given issue.
saltydancin
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There is no right to freedom from Christianity in the Constitution & from some Christiananality pedophilia rite in their "man is God" diatribe, changing & altering the Federal Register is most likely only Federal Sin under color of law.
Are you familiar with George Washington, the Freemason?
"At 10:00 a.m. on September 18, President of the United States George Washington and his entourage crossed the Potomac River to arrive in the city of Washington. There, they were joined by an escort consisting of the Alexandria Volunteer Artillery, and members of Masonic lodges from Virginia and Maryland, and proceeded to the construction grounds approximately 1.5 miles (2.4 km) away.[3] At the site of the Capitol, Washington was received by Joseph Clark, the Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Maryland. A silver plaque, fashioned by Georgetown silversmith Caleb Bentley, was handed to Washington, who stepped into the foundation trench and placed the plaque, whereupon the cornerstone was lowered. The plaque was inscribed with a brief tribute to the "military valor and prudence" of Washington, and dedicated the building in the "first year, of the second term, of the presidency of George Washington ... and in the year of Masonry 5,793."[1]
Washington, accompanied by three Worshipful Masters carrying sacrifices of corn, wine, and oil, then struck the stone three times with a gavel, as prescribed by Masonic custom. Washington exited the trench to ritual chanting by the assembled Masons and a 15-gun salute (one gun for each U.S. state) from the Alexandria Volunteer Artillery. Clark then delivered a short invocation, after which a 500 pounds (230 kg) ox was slaughtered and roasted."
Please note: "... and in the year of Masonry 5,793."
"At 10:00 a.m. on September 18, President of the United States George Washington and his entourage crossed the Potomac River to arrive in the city of Washington. There, they were joined by an escort consisting of the Alexandria Volunteer Artillery, and members of Masonic lodges from Virginia and Maryland, and proceeded to the construction grounds approximately 1.5 miles (2.4 km) away.[3] At the site of the Capitol, Washington was received by Joseph Clark, the Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Maryland. A silver plaque, fashioned by Georgetown silversmith Caleb Bentley, was handed to Washington, who stepped into the foundation trench and placed the plaque, whereupon the cornerstone was lowered. The plaque was inscribed with a brief tribute to the "military valor and prudence" of Washington, and dedicated the building in the "first year, of the second term, of the presidency of George Washington ... and in the year of Masonry 5,793."[1]
Washington, accompanied by three Worshipful Masters carrying sacrifices of corn, wine, and oil, then struck the stone three times with a gavel, as prescribed by Masonic custom. Washington exited the trench to ritual chanting by the assembled Masons and a 15-gun salute (one gun for each U.S. state) from the Alexandria Volunteer Artillery. Clark then delivered a short invocation, after which a 500 pounds (230 kg) ox was slaughtered and roasted."
Please note: "... and in the year of Masonry 5,793."
saltydancin
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So if this year for the Jewish New Year is only 5780, does that mean Freemasons are descended from Pharaohs pyramid builders for 5993 & coming out of the closet without a rock spaceship to fly to the stars ?