Is Obamacare a Ponzi scheme?

Is Obamacare a Ponzi scheme?

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Big money said:
I gave you what you asked for, my good Brother. I didn't say you had to like it.

Now, back to the thread topic.
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.. and I do appreciate that.

However, I'm sure you knew that I was going to comment on that proposal .. which should have been put forth long ago if it had any seriousness to it .. which it doesn't.

With respect brother, I would suggest that any attacks on Obamacare and/or healthcare reform in general, should come with a better proposal rather than just attacks.

That's what I do.
 
Healthcare didn't need reform to begin with, let alone a gov. takeover....it needed some minor treaking, regulation and oversight. The vast majority of American citizens were
well satisfied with their health care coverage before this socialist move...

Like immigration 'reform'.....which in reality means to liberals is amnesty and to Democrats, more vote buying, healthcare reform means more welfare socialism and continued
vote buying.
 
NOVA said:
Healthcare didn't need reform to begin with, let alone a gov. takeover....it needed some minor treaking, regulation and oversight. The vast majority of American citizens were
well satisfied with their health care coverage before this socialist move...

Like immigration 'reform'.....in reality all it means to liberals is amnesty and to Democrats, more vote buying.
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No, it wasn't serving all the people by a long shot and it was so expensive that it was just another factor that was bandrupting your country. Republicans knew that too of course. It costs roughly twice as much as Canada's system and is rated lower than Canada's by the World Health Org.

But by all means, continue to be the laughing stock of the rest of the world. You really must be able to see the humour in it all too don't you?
 
NOVA said:
Healthcare didn't need reform to begin with, let alone a gov. takeover....it needed some minor treaking, regulation and oversight. The vast majority of American citizens were
well satisfied with their health care coverage before this socialist move...

Like immigration 'reform'.....which in reality means to liberals is amnesty and to Democrats, more vote buying, healthcare reform means more welfare socialism and continued
vote buying.
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In the 2008 presidential election, HEALTH CARE REFORM was near the top of the list of demands by voters .. so much so that even republicans had to produce their own health care plans.

Do you need proof of that?
 
monty1 said:
No, it wasn't serving all the people by a long shot and it was so expensive that it was just another factor that was bandrupting your country. Republicans knew that too of course. It costs roughly twice as much as Canada's system and is rated lower than Canada's by the World Health Org.

But by all means, continue to be the laughing stock of the rest of the world. You really must be able to see the humour in it all too don't you?
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I didn't say it was serving all the people, I said the majority of citizens well satisfied with their insurance coverage and care....so pay attention, words have meaning.

blackascoal said:
In the 2008 presidential election, HEALTH CARE REFORM was near the top of the list of demands by voters .. so much so that even republicans had to produce their own health care plans.

Do you need proof of that?
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No bac, I don't....I was there...I saw the left wing media harp for many, many months about first, an imaginary crisis in healthcare......it was the Democrat pet project and
the media machine went into action....and a hell of a job they did, if I might say.....the illegals were causing a problem in the cities of the South and Western states
so it wasn't entirely a made up problem....just a problem created by the left in the first place, fed and nurtured by the msm, until they convinced the folks we needed a gov. takeover...
 
NOVA said:
No bac, I don't....I was there...I saw the left wing media harp for many, many months about first, an imaginary crisis in healthcare......it was the Democrat pet project and
the media machine went into action....and a hell of a job they did, if I might say.....the illegals were causing a problem in the cities of the South and Western states
so it wasn't entirely a made up problem....just a problem created by the left in the first place, fed and nurtured by the msm, until they convinced the folks we needed a gov. takeover...
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The problem with talking to either side is that they both blame the other side for their own ills, and neither wants to deal with issues honestly.

Healthcare reform has been an issue for a lot of years, and Obamacare pales in comparison to the healthcare plan from Richard Nixon in 1974.

Healthcare reform in America is badly needed. Start from there.
 
blackascoal said:
The problem with talking to either side is that they both blame the other side for their own ills, and neither wants to deal with issues honestly.

Healthcare reform has been an issue for a lot of years, and Obamacare pales in comparison to the healthcare plan from Richard Nixon in 1974.

Healthcare reform in America is badly needed. Start from there.
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Yeah boy if everyone were as fucking perfect as you
 
blackascoal said:
.. and I do appreciate that.

However, I'm sure you knew that I was going to comment on that proposal .. which should have been put forth long ago if it had any seriousness to it .. which it doesn't.

With respect brother, I would suggest that any attacks on Obamacare and/or healthcare reform in general, should come with a better proposal rather than just attacks.

That's what I do.
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I'm not sure my hand is up to a long post, but for years I've thought commonsense and learning from what has happened in the past 60 years or so should be factored into any discussions of reform. Not a 'Republican plan, but some things I think should be addressed:

Basic care should be paid for by individuals, not insurance. Physicals, inoculations, 'choice' testing such as mammograms, paps, prostate, bone-density, etc. Drs or groups should post their fees on website, competing with others. If the Dr is willing to make payment arrangements with his/her patients, post that too. Willing to offer a 'sliding fee' based on his/her criteria? Post that too. Those with known history would likely find it in their interests to regularly schedule these tests, those with different issues, would focus on those. Thus for example, a woman with a history of breast cancer in family might choose yearly from an early age. Another with no history of that, but of diabetes might opt for less mammograms, but spend more money on gym membership, nutritional advice, and glucose tolerance tests.

People could decide whether to carry 'standard hospitalization' insurance or choose to pay-out-of-pocket depending on their needs. Hospitals, particularly emergency rooms could post common problem fees also, much like gas stations: X-rays for suspected fracture: $150 direct pay; $500 if using insurance (due to cost of staff, collections, time delay in payments received). Looking at most insurance plans today and most people's use of insurance thankfully, they don't ever get beyond their deductible, this would be one way of lowering most folks costs. Obviously someone with a chronic condition isn't in 'most' category and the insurance premiums are worth their costs, whatever they are.

Nearly everyone would want and could afford 'major medical' insurance. This covers those events that there simply is no planning for and are the events that have led hospitals to dramatically overcharge insurance companies to 'cover' those without insurance. One would choose their deductible based upon their own threshold in worse case.

In my opinion insurance began as an 'employee benefit' that mushroomed into an inflationary subsection of the economy, it's not enough for just 'reform, but time to redefine its place. We need more market incentives for competition, not between insurance plans, but between healthcare providers.

I am not in the medical field, though I was licensed insurance producer, including healthcare years ago. The above are just a few thoughts of mine developed over the years.
 
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NOVA said:
Healthcare didn't need reform to begin with, let alone a gov. takeover....it needed some minor treaking, regulation and oversight. The vast majority of American citizens were
well satisfied with their health care coverage before this socialist move...

Like immigration 'reform'.....which in reality means to liberals is amnesty and to Democrats, more vote buying, healthcare reform means more welfare socialism and continued
vote buying.
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Unfortunately, Republicans have BLOCKED any sort of regulation of the Insurance Companies for DECADES now.
 
Annie said:
I'm not sure my hand is up to a long post, but for years I've thought commonsense and learning from what has happened in the past 60 years or so should be factored into any discussions of reform. Not a 'Republican plan, but some things I think should be addressed:

Basic care should be paid for by individuals, not insurance. Physicals, inoculations, 'choice' testing such as mammograms, paps, prostate, bone-density, etc. Drs or groups should post their fees on website, competing with others. If the Dr is willing to make payment arrangements with his/her patients, post that too. Willing to offer a 'sliding fee' based on his/her criteria? Post that too. Those with known history would likely find it in their interests to regularly schedule these tests, those with different issues, would focus on those. Thus for example, a woman with a history of breast cancer in family might choose yearly from an early age. Another with no history of that, but of diabetes might opt for less mammograms, but spend more money on gym membership, nutritional advice, and glucose tolerance tests.

People could decide whether to carry 'standard hospitalization' insurance or choose to pay-out-of-pocket depending on their needs. Hospitals, particularly emergency rooms could post common problem fees also, much like gas stations: X-rays for suspected fracture: $150 direct pay; $500 if using insurance (due to cost of staff, collections, time delay in payments received). Looking at most insurance plans today and most people's use of insurance thankfully, they don't ever get beyond their deductible, this would be one way of lowering most folks costs. Obviously someone with a chronic condition isn't in 'most' category and the insurance premiums are worth their costs, whatever they are.

Nearly everyone would want and could afford 'major medical' insurance. This covers those events that there simply is no planning for and are the events that have led hospitals to dramatically overcharge insurance companies to 'cover' those without insurance. One would choose their deductible based upon their own threshold in worse case.

In my opinion insurance began as an 'employee benefit' that mushroomed into an inflationary subsection of the economy, it's not enough for just 'reform, but time to redefine its place. We need more market incentives for competition, not between insurance plans, but between healthcare providers.

I am not in the medical field, though I was licensed insurance producer, including healthcare years ago. The above are just a few thoughts of mine developed over the years.
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bump, BAC comment?
 
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