Agnosticus_Caesar
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If you could stop an innocent human being from being killed, with little or not danger to yourself, is it immoral to refrain from doing as such?
Is It Moral To Allow Someone To Be Killed?
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Inaction would be immoral if your action could stop the death of an innocent.
Agnosticus_Caesar
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[Inaction would be immoral if your action could stop the death of an innocent.]\
So you disagree with The Death Penalty?
So you disagree with The Death Penalty?
I always have. However, this assumes you have the power to assure innocence.
Agnosticus_Caesar
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Exactly the opposite. A fallible system will almost certainly convict innocent people, on occasion. It is as close to absolute knowledge as humanity can ever realize
Agnosticus_Caesar
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If you CAN fail, it is as near to impossible, as IS possible, that you won't.
Agnosticus_Caesar
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Sleep beckons. Have fun, fellow hominids (you pongids, as well).
Recognizing fallibility in a system does not guarantee that you are saving the life of an innocent when an execution is stayed. At any single execution you are far more likely to be wrong than you are to be right.
While arguing the entirety of the particular 'punishment' itself, one may say that it should not be done because it is assured that innocents would die, but it is not an argument to stop any single execution unless you can assure the innocence of the person who was convicted and sentenced to death by their peers (Judges cannot of themselves make this sentence, juries have to vote on them).
However, this argument has an easy crossover to abortion as well as to the death penalty.
Agnosticus_Caesar
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The Death Penalty, as a policy, will, practically speaking, ALWAYS lead to the killing of innocents. it simply cannot be avoided. It is therefore immoral to be in favor of such a policy, as you would be advocating killing innocent people so that you may also kill guilty people.
Agnosticus_Caesar
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Is it okay to kill innocent people, so that you can also kill guilty people?
Agnosticus_Caesar
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Here is a dilemma:
Let's assume that I found a way to know, without the possibility of being wrong, the guilt or innocence of 51 people convicted of capital murder.
50 are guilty, one is innocent.
Would the average citizen opt to kill the innocent man, so that he may also kill the 50 guilty men, rather than imprison them for life?
I'd be willing to bet that most people would NOT kill the innocent man, and would, instead, choose to free him, and deal with 50 actual murderers in prison for life.
The problem is, the moral quandry is dishonestly displayed. people are reacting from how they feel ONLY GUILTY people should be treated, and the whole idea that some of the convicted MIGHT ACTUALLY BE INNOCENT is vigorously covered up, if it is even mentioned at all.
Let's assume that I found a way to know, without the possibility of being wrong, the guilt or innocence of 51 people convicted of capital murder.
50 are guilty, one is innocent.
Would the average citizen opt to kill the innocent man, so that he may also kill the 50 guilty men, rather than imprison them for life?
I'd be willing to bet that most people would NOT kill the innocent man, and would, instead, choose to free him, and deal with 50 actual murderers in prison for life.
The problem is, the moral quandry is dishonestly displayed. people are reacting from how they feel ONLY GUILTY people should be treated, and the whole idea that some of the convicted MIGHT ACTUALLY BE INNOCENT is vigorously covered up, if it is even mentioned at all.
Any "justice" system will always lead to the punishment of innocents. While it is "unacceptable" it is reality. During that incarceration they could be killed. It was therefore societies action that brought that untimely end. Was it immoral to put them there?
gonzojournals
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Of course it is moral, as long as it is for the good of society.
Then you ignore the possibility of the innocent being killed by other means during incarceration?
Agnosticus_Caesar
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[Is it okay to incarcerate innocent people? Is it immoral to punish innocent people at all?]
Nope...but it IS okay to RISK incarcerating innocent people in the attempt to remove the threat posed by those who are actually guilty. It is NOT okay risking killing innocent people for the point of REVENGE.
Nope...but it IS okay to RISK incarcerating innocent people in the attempt to remove the threat posed by those who are actually guilty. It is NOT okay risking killing innocent people for the point of REVENGE.
gonzojournals
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It isn't revenge, it is removing people from society that would endanger society. You are still scoring positive points, because the number of innocents that are killed unintentionally is smaller than the number of innocents that would be affected by those that earn the death penalty.
Any innocent that is incarcerated is far more at risk for a violent end than any other person in society. Why is it okay to risk ending their life? Is it because you pretend that you didn't cause it?
Agnosticus_Caesar
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[Then you ignore the possibility of the innocent being killed by other means during incarceration?]
There is a difference between the possibility of being killed while incarcerated, with the CERTAINTY of being killed, via a Death Penalty. You are flirting with Equivocation.
There is a difference between the possibility of being killed while incarcerated, with the CERTAINTY of being killed, via a Death Penalty. You are flirting with Equivocation.
Agnosticus_Caesar
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[It isn't revenge, it is removing people from society that would endanger society. You are still scoring positive points, because the number of innocents that are killed unintentionally is smaller than the number of innocents that would be affected by those that earn the death penalty.]
It is Death Penalty vs Life in Prison, not Death Penalty vs LETTING THEM Go
It is Death Penalty vs Life in Prison, not Death Penalty vs LETTING THEM Go