Is a black person calling another black person an Uncle Tom racist?

[cawacko]

Fair enough. I can understand your personal POV that the word has been so badly coopted as to only have that meaning for you.

Like i said, i am fine with the term being 'taboo' to use for that reason, but the definition is not if applied to certain persons like Candace Owens. That is my point. This is true of people like her "...a black person who understands they can receive benefit from white racists by being the face of their racist views, denigrate other blacks, in a way that will gain them favor and benefit from the racists.'...", and if you say... yes agreed and you can say that but just don't use the term Uncle Tom', fine. I get it.

What i am arguing is that it not racist nor wrong to properly identify what Candace and those like her are doing.

I don't know if this is an apt analogy but it popped into my head and that's the word thug. We can look at certain people's behavior and based on the dictionary definition, say that individual is a thug. But we also know people use the term to describe large groups of people (often/usually black) and do it in a very negative way (coming close at times to being an old school n*word equivalent).

I'm not saying that's an exact analogy with Uncle Tom but applying the dictionary definition of some words, while accurate, is not always how the word is used by large segments of the population if that makes sense.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I don't know if this is an apt analogy but it popped into my head and that's the word thug. We can look at certain people's behavior and based on the dictionary definition, say that individual is a thug. But we also know people use the term to describe large groups of people (often/usually black) and do it in a very negative way (coming close at times to being an old school n*word equivalent).

I'm not saying that's an exact analogy with Uncle Tom but applying the dictionary definition of some words, while accurate, is not always how the word is used by large segments of the population if that makes sense.

It's a comparable analogy to Uncle Tom. When JPP white supremacists talk about "thugs" they aren't referencing WSE militias or those who attacked police on 1/6. They are talking about violent black people.

This goes back to the David Duke strategy; put away the wizard robes, stop using racial epithets and start talking about "White Heritage" and "traditional values". It's semantics; the words change but the meanings remain the same.

 

[QP!]

So you support the White Supremacist idea that the human race is subdivided into races. Fine. Do you go with the traditional four races or do you go with something else?

Do you disagree with geneticists that there's no such thing as "race"? That the main difference between groups of human beings is cultural, not genetics?

You can't have it both ways, QP; is race genetic where you can look at people and determine their race or is race a social construct based solely on ignorance of science?

So you support Hitlers view about jews. Fine.


When you want to be an adult and discuss my actual views, and not make shit up and attribute it to me, we can do that. Until then i will match your made up BS with my own.

 

[QP!]

I don't know if this is an apt analogy but it popped into my head and that's the word thug. We can look at certain people's behavior and based on the dictionary definition, say that individual is a thug. But we also know people use the term to describe large groups of people (often/usually black) and do it in a very negative way (coming close at times to being an old school n*word equivalent).

I'm not saying that's an exact analogy with Uncle Tom but applying the dictionary definition of some words, while accurate, is not always how the word is used by large segments of the population if that makes sense.

Ya like i said, if you feel the word is tainted fine.

I can agree with you that 'thug' has the connotation but as long as we do not also say 'no one can be accused of being a brutish lawless person', in long form, then i am fine.

What i am saying is the 'definition of an 'Uncle Tom' or 'Thug' is still apt to apply to the people even if you want the specific words not used.

 

[ExpressLane]

I think it would usually be racist, but it would depend on the circumstances. Its very rare that a absolute statement is always correct.

So when a Republican says that it is Racist but when a Democrat does it isn't. Got it!

 

[Lionfish]

 

[Dutch Uncle]

So you support Hitlers view about jews. Fine.


When you want to be an adult and discuss my actual views, and not make shit up and attribute it to me, we can do that. Until then i will match your made up BS with my own.

No, but thanks for going far Left in this. Truly. LOL

You're free to run for the discussion and push your racist views upon others, QP. I expect nothing less from the far Left than I do the far Right since both are extremists who refuse to meet in the middle.

 

[tigerred59]

only if the black person that is being called a tom isn't Daniel Cameron or Clarence Thomas....next stupid question?

 

[ExpressLane]

only if the black person that is being called a tom isn't Daniel Cameron or Clarence Thomas....next stupid question?

Shut up you Uncle Tom!

 

[tigerred59]

Shut up you Uncle Tom!

Correction: Aunt Tomika....just sayin

 

[tigerred59]

I kinda get your woke take on how democrats react to shit....but truth be told, nobody corners the market on racism and bigotry than white men and women....you ppl master the shit

 

[QP!]

No, but thanks for going far Left in this. Truly. LOL

You're free to run for the discussion and push your racist views upon others, QP. I expect nothing less from the far Left than I do the far Right since both are extremists who refuse to meet in the middle.

As you are free to continue your Hitler based garbage you push. I expect nothing less from a wannabe fascist.

 

[Lionfish]

I love it when QPeeeeeeeeeeeee and his alter ego Mr. Tiny Penis spar. It makes it look like they are two different people.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

As you are free to continue your Hitler based garbage you push. I expect nothing less from a wannabe fascist.

Thanks again for the balance, QP! Please keep up the good work.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

DAMO TOOK MY BRAINS
WHEN HE TOOK MY LITTLE BALLS
USELESS WITHOUT THEM​

Stop being a useless wiener. You should ask for them back, Herr Winziger Schwanz.

 

[Bourbon]

I say the Best way to find out is try

 

[QP!]

Thanks again for the balance, QP! Please keep up the good work.

If you think you post is balanced when you make up whole cloth my position from something i never said or even suggested, then you are very close minded.

You are showing yourself the type who is ok just making shit up about others and then gets sensitive when same is reflected back. it is not a good look.

Engage honestly and we will never have this issue. Don't be a useless whiner.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

If you think you post is balanced when you make up whole cloth my position from something i never said or even suggested, then you are very close minded.

You are showing yourself the type who is ok just making shit up about others and then gets sensitive when same is reflected back. it is not a good look.

Engage honestly and we will never have this issue. Don't be a useless whiner.

Where did I go wrong on your position, QP? You've spent more time acting insulted and calling me a fascist than you have in explaining it. Why so defensive? Did I hit a nerve, son?

Awesome. Again, please correct me where I am wrong.

What gender do you consider yourself? I'm a cis male and believe you are not the same by your behavior.

 

[QP!]

Where did I go wrong on your position, QP? You've spent more time acting insulted and calling me a fascist than you have in explaining it. Why so defensive? Did I hit a nerve, son?

Awesome. Again, please correct me where I am wrong.

What gender do you consider yourself? I'm a cis male and believe you are not the same by your behavior.

Funny how you were the first one to start insulting and calling me racist and you whine about me following your act. Defensive much? Did i get you upset, girl?

It is always this way with you in dispute where it is fact you always do first what you whine about later. You need to grow a thicker skin or stop throwing stones.


Feel free to quote anything that is a "racist view" by me, if you want to engage seriously.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Where did I go wrong on your position, QP? You've spent more time acting insulted and calling me a fascist than you have in explaining it. Why so defensive? Did I hit a nerve, son?

Awesome. Again, please correct me where I am wrong.

What gender do you consider yourself? I'm a cis male and believe you are not the same by your behavior.

Funny how you were the first one to start insulting and calling me racist and you whine about me following your act. Defensive much? Did i get you upset, girl?

It is always this way with you in dispute where it is fact you always do first what you whine about later. You need to grow a thicker skin or stop throwing stones.


Feel free to quote anything that is a "racist view" by me, if you want to engage seriously.

It would help if you'd just correct me where I went wrong instead of playing the victim, QP.

Sure, I could use some improvement but if you don't tell me where I went wrong, how can I learn?

Hiding your gender, QP? That's very interesting. Okay, now I know you're not cis male. Are you cis female or something in between?