IRS scandal & Benghazi... how many other cover ups are out there?

blackascoal said:
Anyone have any thoughts on yet another debacle?

DOJ Calls Fox News Reporter James Rosen 'Co-Conspirator' In Leak Case; Journalists Outraged
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...-co-conspirator-obama_n_3305857.html?ir=Media
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It will be very interesting to see if they have any evidence that James Rosen committed any crimes or not, and if he will be indicted. I have 0 sympathy if he was involved in leaking top secret information that had a reason for being top secret.

If however, he leaked something that had no business being top secret and especially if it was negative to the Obama Administration then I have a problem with it.
 
Jarod said:
1) Give me the quote where the IRS lied.
2) The CIA's talking points were barely edited, which is a normal process for any and all talking points (hardly a cover-up) and the President called it a terrorist attack before that even happened.

Still no cover-up.

Now, see how easy this has been, instead of obfuscating and trying to avoid the discussion, next time just respond and allow an honest discussion. Sure you were shown to be grasping at straws and to not have much,,, but its better than running from it for three or four days.
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again you fucking idiot... the posts were ALREADY there for you to discuss. A point you continue to refuse to acknowledge. So enough with your 'i want to have an honest discussion' you don't.

If you are not going to read up on the events, then stop discussing them. You clearly aren't keeping up with the story. Look up the testimony of Lerner and Miller Jarod. BOTH testified to Congress and BOTH stated they weren't targeting AFTER they knew the IRS was indeed targeting.
 
Jarod said:
It will be very interesting to see if they have any evidence that James Rosen committed any crimes or not, and if he will be indicted. I have 0 sympathy if he was involved in leaking top secret information that had a reason for being top secret.

If however, he leaked something that had no business being top secret and especially if it was negative to the Obama Administration then I have a problem with it.
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Good answer.
 
Superfreak said:
again you fucking idiot... the posts were ALREADY there for you to discuss. A point you continue to refuse to acknowledge. So enough with your 'i want to have an honest discussion' you don't.

If you are not going to read up on the events, then stop discussing them. You clearly aren't keeping up with the story. Look up the testimony of Lerner and Miller Jarod. BOTH testified to Congress and BOTH stated they weren't targeting AFTER they knew the IRS was indeed targeting.
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I read up on it, and did not read that at all. Show me a link to your claims, till then Ill assume you are lying.
 
blackascoal said:
Good answer.
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From the article you posted, it looks like this reporter was offering "bribes" to get the guy to disclose information about North Korea's nuclear program. If the reporter knew that information to be top secret and IF that information had business being top secret... I have no sympathy. I do not believe reporters to be above the law.

It could be that the DOJ was trying to intimidate the reporter, but I refuse to assume that simply because they investigated him and called him a co-conspirator that intimidation was the goal. The DOJ has a duty to investigate crimes, regardless of if the perp is a reporter or not.
 
Jarod said:
I read up on it, and did not read that at all. Show me a link to your claims, till then Ill assume you are lying.
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Sorry Garud... I am done with your lack of honesty and your non stop bullshit. It has been in almost every story over the past week with regards to the IRS scandal. So you obviously have no intention of keeping up with the story or having an honest discussion.
 
Superfreak said:
Sorry Garud... I am done with your lack of honesty and your non stop bullshit. It has been in almost every story over the past week with regards to the IRS scandal. So you obviously have no intention of keeping up with the story or having an honest discussion.
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I can certainty understand why you would back away from a debate with someone that asks you to back up your claims.
 
Jarod said:
From the article you posted, it looks like this reporter was offering "bribes" to get the guy to disclose information about North Korea's nuclear program. If the reporter knew that information to be top secret and IF that information had business being top secret... I have no sympathy. I do not believe reporters to be above the law.

It could be that the DOJ was trying to intimidate the reporter, but I refuse to assume that simply because they investigated him and called him a co-conspirator that intimidation was the goal. The DOJ has a duty to investigate crimes, regardless of if the perp is a reporter or not.
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I agree with that .. but Obama's demand for secrecy is no secret.

"My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government," said Obama in 2008, ina memo to the heads of his Executive Branch agencies.

Obama's secrecy fixation causing Sunshine Week implosion
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/14/obama-transparency-podesta-sunshine-week

Where the Sun Don’t Shine
President Obama promised transparency and open government. He failed miserably. So why do Washington watchdog groups look the other way?
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...y_the_white_house_is_as_opaque_secretive.html

Obama administration most secretive in U.S. history; 'transparency' was campaign hype
http://www.naturalnews.com/038302_O...nment_secrets_transparency.html#ixzz2TrmAmMww

Where there is this much smoke .. there is bound to be some fire.
 
This coverup reaches to the highest levels but we have the fall guy. Former car thief Darrel Issa has known about the investigation for almost a year and kept it from the public. He should be shot, immediately.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/rep-issa-aware-of-irs-investigation-since-last-july

Rep. Issa Aware Of IRS Investigation Since Last July


“We would be happy to provide a status update to the Subcommittee staff and provide a copy of our interim and final reports on the matter when they are issued.”
 
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Jarod said:
I read up on it, and did not read that at all. Show me a link to your claims, till then Ill assume you are lying.
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Why do we have to supply a link for every FACT you are ignorant of.....didn't you listen to the hearings....don't you read the news....
do you see any tv news other than MSNBC ?
Its not the job of eveyone else to educate you and rest of your posse of pinheads....
 
blackascoal said:
I agree with that .. but Obama's demand for secrecy is no secret.

"My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government," said Obama in 2008, ina memo to the heads of his Executive Branch agencies.

Obama's secrecy fixation causing Sunshine Week implosion
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/14/obama-transparency-podesta-sunshine-week

Where the Sun Don’t Shine
President Obama promised transparency and open government. He failed miserably. So why do Washington watchdog groups look the other way?
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...y_the_white_house_is_as_opaque_secretive.html

Obama administration most secretive in U.S. history; 'transparency' was campaign hype
http://www.naturalnews.com/038302_O...nment_secrets_transparency.html#ixzz2TrmAmMww

Where there is this much smoke .. there is bound to be some fire.
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Not when its Republicans blowing smoke to make it look like a fire.
 
NOVA said:
Why do we have to supply a link for every FACT you are ignorant of.....didn't you listen to the hearings....don't you read the news....
do you see any tv news other than MSNBC ?
Its not the job of eveyone else to educate you and rest of your posse of pinheads....
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If you are going to make allegations, you need to be able to back them up. You guys keep parroting talking points and you don't even know that they are not true, so when I ask for a link... and you cant find one... That's because it was not true in the first place.

The reason I ask for quotes to back up your claim that the President lied, is because I know none exist!
 
Jarod said:
Not when its Republicans blowing smoke to make it look like a fire.
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:0) To quote a wise friend of mine .. YOU .. "The American people know what's up."

... only 37% say that congressional Republicans are overreacting in their handling of the matter (Benghazi), with 59% saying they've reacted appropriately.

It's the same story on the IRS controversy, with 54% saying the GOP in Congress has not overplayed its hand.

Much of the smoke being bown is coming from democrats.
 
blackascoal said:
:0) To quote a wise friend of mine .. YOU .. "The American people know what's up."

... only 37% say that congressional Republicans are overreacting in their handling of the matter (Benghazi), with 59% saying they've reacted appropriately.

It's the same story on the IRS controversy, with 54% saying the GOP in Congress has not overplayed its hand.

Much of the smoke being bown is coming from democrats.
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Congressional Republicans are not the ones blowing smoke... Rush Linberger and Sean Hannity and Bill O'liely and the like are the ones blowing the smoke.
 
Superfreak said:
Sorry Garud... I am done with your lack of honesty and your non stop bullshit. It has been in almost every story over the past week with regards to the IRS scandal. So you obviously have no intention of keeping up with the story or having an honest discussion.
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I can certainty understand why you would back away from a debate with someone who asks you to back up your claims.
 
meh...I don't need to read any further, this pretty much covers everything...

Superfreak said:
You seriously should actually read up on what is occurring before posting.

1) The IRS was indeed a cover up. They knew back in 2012, they were asked about it in 2012 AFTER finding out. They lied.

2) Benghazi... we know the CIA's original talking points were altered. They tried to cover up that fact until it broke open on them and they couldn't contain it.


Both of those they delayed the truth coming out... conveniently until after the election.
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First of all, the Bush-appointed head of the IRS knew about the investigation back in May of last year. Maybe he thought he was still working for Bush or that illegal investigations were De rigueur since the Bush days?

Moreover, details of the IRS’s efforts to target conservative groups reached the highest levels of the agency in May 2012, far earlier than has been disclosed, according to Republican congressional aides briefed by the IRS and the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration *(TIGTA) on the details of their reviews.

Then-Commissioner Douglas Shulman, a George W. Bush appointee who stepped down in November, received a briefing from the TIGTA about what was happening in the Cincinnati office in May 2012, the aides said. His deputy and the agency’s current acting commissioner, Steven T. Miller, also learned about the matter that month, the aides said.
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http://oversight.house.gov/wp-conte...rge-TIGTA-tax-exempt-status-questionnaire.pdf

Not only did Shulman and Issa know last year, other members of Congress knew.

After Tea Party groups complain about their IRS tax-exempt application reviews, Republican members of Congress question then-IRS commissioner Doug Shulman. In hearings about the screening practices, Shulman denies the IRS is targeting tax-exempt groups based on their politics.
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blackascoal said:
Anyone have any thoughts on yet another debacle?

DOJ Calls Fox News Reporter James Rosen 'Co-Conspirator' In Leak Case; Journalists Outraged
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...-co-conspirator-obama_n_3305857.html?ir=Media
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Jarod said:
It will be very interesting to see if they have any evidence that James Rosen committed any crimes or not, and if he will be indicted. I have 0 sympathy if he was involved in leaking top secret information that had a reason for being top secret.

If however, he leaked something that had no business being top secret and especially if it was negative to the Obama Administration then I have a problem with it.
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Espionage is espionage. Woo will be convicted. Although news sources who obtain such information are often protected, Rosen should be condemned for his actions. More compelling to me, however, is the avenues FOX will go to - skirting the law at a minimum - to dredge up stories.

And has the DOJ acted illegally? No.

But veteran prosecutors have a far more measured response: It’s complicated.

These lawyers recognize the threats to a free press but say the dangers of national security leaks — and the difficulties in finding the leakers — sometimes force the government’s hand. The actions of the Obama administration were unusual and deserve careful scrutiny, they say, but do not automatically equal a clear-cut abuse of power.

“I don’t think it’s a scandal,” said John Dean, Richard Nixon’s White House counsel who served jail time for his role in the Watergate cover-up. “It’s certainly not Nixonian.”

Dean said there is an inherent tension between protecting a free press and ensuring the nation’s safety. “It is something obviously the media is going to be exercised about because it’s affected a lot of their good sources,” he said. “I’m one who is very pro-open government, but I can also understand you can’t run national security operations in a fishbowl. So there’s got to be a balancing.”
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