Irish Republican charged with 29 murders in connection with Omagh bombing

Taft2016 said:
And yet when an alien sect controlled/controls the Irish state, that seems to not concern you, even though it amounts to imperialistic tyranny. The lack of self-awareness you limeys have borders on mental disorder. Do you ever think about what you're saying?

You're saying that people in a democratic republic opting to practice the religion of over 90% of the population is more tyrannical than a foreign nation invading that country, establishing a foreign state religion, and tithing the local population to support it.

My point about NYC during that era was that it was a common refuge for radical republicans to get smuggled into and lay low. In the right circles one often came into contact with them, Joe Doherty being the most well known from the era. So you "hung around with them".... big deal, who didn't?

And the people here who supported Noraid did so with their own dollars of their own minds. Unlike the British, who paid their taxes to pay for bullets being fired indiscriminately into crowds of demonstrators. Or drive-by shootings. Or to equip loyalist terrorist organizations.

No, we knew what we were funding. Unlike you limeys, who cling to the old imperialist notion that some of those foreign little people around the empire need a a good massacre now and then to keep them in line.
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It's funny how iolo, who is an unrepentant Marxist, and I both agree on this issue. If you want to get into a pissing contest I am far more Irish than you will ever be, which entitles me to see the world as it really is. Not from a NY bar where the ex-Pats there will believe any old blarney that the boyos from the Old Sod tell them. The IRA killed many more people than other group in Northern Ireland and you lot over there provided the money for the guns, Semtex and ammo. I would like to think that if de Valera hadn't got Michael Collins killed then the history would have been very different. It is testament to the respect that he was held in that whilst lying in state in Dublin for three days, many British soldiers, who fought against him, paid their last respects before returning to the mainland.
 
Abraxas said:
I am far more Irish than you will ever be, which entitles me to see the world as it really is. Not from a NY bar where the ex-Pats there will believe any old blarney that the boyos from the Old Sod tell them.
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Same old mindless crap. As I said on the other thread:

If someone was on this forum insisting Mao Zedong was wonderful because this particular poster grew up in China during the Cultural Revolution, and that therefore he is an authority on the matter and the rest of us should just shut-the-fuck-up and listen to him, in spite all we know to the contrary....would that be a convincing argument?

And suppose the crux of his argument was that "we had never been to China" and all we amounted to was "plastic Chinamen drinking tea and watching kung fu movies." And then deflecting legitimate arguments with irrelevant anecdotes about Chiang Kai-Shek?

Sounds like a pretty stupid argument, doesn't it?

Does it happen to sound familiar at all? :awesome:
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Abraxas said:
It's funny how iolo, who is an unrepentant Marxist, and I both agree on this issue.
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And it's funny how Bernadette Devlin, who is an unrepentant Marxist, and I both agree on this issue.

Dude, think. Then get a real argument and come back.
 
Taft2016 said:
And it's funny how Bernadette Devlin, who is an unrepentant Marxist, and I both agree on this issue.

Dude, think. Then get a real argument and come back.
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Yeh and isn't it ironic that soldiers from 3rd Para saved her life!! They also caught the UFF terrorists that shot her as well. I bet they don't talk about that in the green beer bars of New York.
 
Taft2016 said:
I'm just curious; how effective do you suppose it is repeatedly responding with the same mindless drone every time I demolish one of your "thoughts"?
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Well you are the one that has this monotonous overarching strand running that the British Army are just modern day Redcoats pursuing a neo-colonialist agenda. Yet it was soldiers from the Paras that saved Bernadette McCluskey's life and captured the UFF men that shot her. I bet the boys from the Old Sod forgot to mention that little titbit of information.
 
Abraxas said:
Well you are the one that has this monotonous overarching strand running that the British Army are just modern day Redcoats pursuing a neo-colonialist agenda. Yet it was soldiers from the Paras that saved Bernadette McCluskey's life and captured the UFF men that shot her. I bet the boys from the Old Sod forgot to mention that little titbit of information.
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Hmmmmm. Eh, no. I mentioned "redcoats" once. The fact that you subsequently droned on about it endlessly doesn't mean that it was I who did so.

And I don't understand your point about the Devlin shooting (Btw, her married name is McAliskey)...

Is it that their response demonstrates the commitment the UK has to ensuring the safety and well-being of all of the residents of Northern Ireland, regardless of their political or religious beliefs?

Or is it that the 3rd Battalion was present in the first place because they were *ASSIGNED* to guard her home and the loyalist paramilitaries *STILL* managed get past them and burst into her home, shooting Devlin and her husband, in all likelihood with weapons and ammunition they acquired with the assistance of the UK?
 
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Taft2016 said:
Or is it that the 3rd Battalion was present in the first place because they were *ASSIGNED* to guard her home and the loyalist paramilitaries *STILL* managed get past them and burst into her home, shooting Devlin and her husband, in all likelihood with weapons and ammunition they acquired with the assistance of the UK?
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I'm sure they left out that little tidbit of information at your limey, Churchillian, colonial romantic, Wetherspoon, soulless, corporate chain pub.
 
Taft2016 said:
Hmmmmm. Eh, no. I mentioned "redcoats" once. The fact that you subsequently droned on about it endlessly doesn't mean that it was I who did so.

And I don't understand your point about the Devlin shooting (Btw, her married name is McAliskey)...

Is it that their response demonstrates the commitment the UK has to ensuring the safety and well-being of all of the residents of Northern Ireland, regardless of their political or religious beliefs?

Or is it that the 3rd Battalion was present in the first place because they were *ASSIGNED* to guard her home and the loyalist paramilitaries *STILL* managed get past them and burst into her home, shooting Devlin and her husband, in all likelihood with weapons and ammunition they acquired with the assistance of the UK?
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Yes you are right McAliskey not McCluskey, I will allow your pyrrhic victory! Do the actual circumstances matter, the fact is they saved her life not that she was very grateful or magnanimous for them so doing.
 
Abraxas said:
Do the actual circumstances matter, the fact is they saved her life not that she was very grateful or magnanimous for them so doing.
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Do the circumstances matter that an elite military group, assigned to protect a high-profile terrorist target, allowed armed assassins to stroll past them into the target's home?

Is that what you're asking?
 
Taft2016 said:
Do the circumstances matter that an elite military group, assigned to protect a high-profile terrorist target, allowed armed assassins to stroll past them into the target's home?

Is that what you're asking?
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One sergeant from 3 Para said that she was close to death and was saved by the army medic yet she was ranting and raving at them in the foulest language. He said that all of them present wished afterwards that they just let the bitch die. See page 185.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...nepage&q=bernadette mcaliskey 3 para&f=false
 
Abraxas said:
One sergeant from 3 Para said that she was close to death and was saved by the army medic yet she was ranting and raving at them in the foulest language. He said that all of them present wished afterwards that they just let the bitch die. See page 185.
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What would you have said when laying on the ground all shot up in the face of such a gross security failure (if not outright conspiracy)?

"Great job fellas! I'll see you all get a medal for this!" :rolleyes:
 
Taft2016 said:
And yet when an alien sect controlled/controls the Irish state, that seems to not concern you, even though it amounts to imperialistic tyranny. The lack of self-awareness you limeys have borders on mental disorder. Do you ever think about what you're saying?.
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What are you talking about? The Roman Church did control Ireland pretty totally until its buggering children became well known, which has put a lot of people off it. The Church of Ireland, as you probably don't know, was disestablished in the mid-Nineteenth-Century. It is always difficult to argue with you because you appear to live in a parallel universe AND to believe me, for some reason, that I support the British State. What ARE you talking about here?

Nobody ever paid money for troops to fire into crowds of demonstrators, as you know: it was the act of a few criminal soldiers, supported by no-one. You complain loudly enough if a few Muslims send money to shoot your imperialist troops, surely, so why should we be pleased if you pay murder ours, who were attacking no-one but there, originally, supporting Roman Catholics? Stop talking unutterable bilge, and get someone to explain the last fifty or so years of Irish history to you. Archaic rant is very tedious you know!
 
iolo said:
What are you talking about? The Roman Church did control Ireland pretty totally until its buggering children became well known, which has put a lot of people off it. The Church of Ireland, as you probably don't know, was disestablished in the mid-Nineteenth-Century. It is always difficult to argue with you because you appear to live in a parallel universe AND to believe me, for some reason, that I support the British State. What ARE you talking about here?

Nobody ever paid money for troops to fire into crowds of demonstrators, as you know: it was the act of a few criminal soldiers, supported by no-one. You complain loudly enough if a few Muslims send money to shoot your imperialist troops, surely, so why should we be pleased if you pay murder ours, who were attacking no-one but there, originally, supporting Roman Catholics? Stop talking unutterable bilge, and get someone to explain the last fifty or so years of Irish history to you. Archaic rant is very tedious you know!
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Obviously the COI is no longer established in Ireland. Duh. The point was that invading a country, establishing an alien church, and tithing the population to support it is a far greater tyranny that the people in a democratic nation worshiping with a religion that comprises 90% of the population. Obviously that's a point you don't care to address.

And yes, the British did pay for troops to fire into crowds of demonstrators. They know who fired. They know who was issued ammunition and who returned with fewer rounds than they were originally issued. If they are criminals, as you say, why has nobody been prosecuted? Why were the officers leading the paras on that date issued decorations by the Queen?

And American troops in the Middle East are not imperialist. They are establishing democracies, rights, and freedoms that heretofore did not exist in the region. Essentially the opposite of what the British did in Ireland. Not to mention that we entered the region in response to attacks, whereas the attacks against Britain from Ireland came in response to invasion and occupation.

You British-Libtards are amusing. When discussing civil rights in the USA you have no problem initiating the topic with "400 years of slavery!" (ironically, most of those years under British rule).... yet, when discussing Ireland the 800 years of occupation is off the table, and any mention of it is deemed "archaic."

Hypocrisy, as always, is the life's blood of liberalism.
 
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Taft2016 said:
Obviously the COI is no longer established in Ireland. Duh. The point was that invading a country, establishing an alien church, and tithing the population to support it is a far greater tyranny that the people in a democratic nation worshiping with a religion that comprises 90% of the population. Obviously that's a point you don't care to address.

And yes, the British did pay for troops to fire into crowds of demonstrators. They know who fired. They know who was issued ammunition and who returned with fewer rounds than they were originally issued. If they are criminals, as you say, why has nobody been prosecuted? Why were the officers leading the paras on that date issued decorations by the Queen?

And American troops in the Middle East are not imperialist. They are establishing democracies, rights, and freedoms that heretofore did not exist in the region. Essentially the opposite of what the British did in Ireland.

You British-Libtards are amusing. When discussing civil rights in the USA you have no problem initiating the topic with "400 years of slavery!" (ironically, most of those years under British rule).... yet, when discussing Ireland the 800 years of occupation is off the table, and any mention of it is deemed "archaic."

Hypocrisy, as always, is the life's blood of liberalism.
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Nobody 'established an alien church' - the English monarchy broke the Roman control over the Church (a Church established way before the Papacy started falsifying Christianity) long after the invasion, and the majority of Irish then expressed their dislike of English rule by supporting a foreign religion, as we supported Nonconformity. And no, the British people didn't pay for troops to fire on demonstrators, any more than the American people paid for their troops to rape and murder in Mi Lai. American troops in the Middle East, as you know, are there to establish control by the American oil companies by stealing the oilfields. I am not a Liberal and I never know what the buggery you nutters are ON when you start your weird racist games. Why do you Nazis not read books? Did McCarthy make you swear off reading?
 
iolo said:
Nobody 'established an alien church' - the English monarchy broke the Roman control over the Church (a Church established way before the Papacy started falsifying Christianity) long after the invasion, and the majority of Irish then expressed their dislike of English rule by supporting a foreign religion, as we supported Nonconformity. And no, the British people didn't pay for troops to fire on demonstrators, any more than the American people paid for their troops to rape and murder in Mi Lai. American troops in the Middle East, as you know, are there to establish control by the American oil companies by stealing the oilfields. I am not a Liberal and I never know what the buggery you nutters are ON when you start your weird racist games. Why do you Nazis not read books? Did McCarthy make you swear off reading?
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The British established an alien church in Ireland.

The USA prosecuted the My Lai perpetrators. The British protected, and even decorated, the Derry perpetrators.

We stole oilfields? Well, then obviously this whole expedition has been a smashing success, very profitable for us, and we're enjoying record low gasoline prices no doubt. :rolleyes:

The year 2003 called. They want their argument back.

You assert you read a lot.... what is it? "Gibberish Quarterly"?
 
iolo said:
Nobody 'established an alien church' - the English monarchy broke the Roman control over the Church (a Church established way before the Papacy started falsifying Christianity) long after the invasion, and the majority of Irish then expressed their dislike of English rule by supporting a foreign religion, as we supported Nonconformity. And no, the British people didn't pay for troops to fire on demonstrators, any more than the American people paid for their troops to rape and murder in Mi Lai. American troops in the Middle East, as you know, are there to establish control by the American oil companies by stealing the oilfields. I am not a Liberal and I never know what the buggery you nutters are ON when you start your weird racist games. Why do you Nazis not read books? Did McCarthy make you swear off reading?
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The Church is that built upon Peter in the Bible, and continued on through his successors on down to Francis. The silly Church of England was an alien church to Ireland.
 
Taft2016 said:
The British established an alien church in Ireland.

The USA prosecuted the My Lai perpetrators. The British protected, and even decorated, the Derry perpetrators.

We stole oilfields? Well, then obviously this whole expedition has been a smashing success, very profitable for us, and we're enjoying record low gasoline prices no doubt. :rolleyes:

The year 2003 called. They want their argument back.

You assert you read a lot.... what is it? "Gibberish Quarterly"?
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The US perpetrated many atrocities down the years and treated South and Central America as its own empire. Do you have to be reminded of Nicaragua, El Salvador, Chile to name but a few.
 
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