Iran war: from the Middle East to America, history shows you cannot assassinate your way to peace

We knocked out a couple of ME countries in the past, Iraq and Afghanistan. How did that work out?If quickly means 20 years or never, you are right. Iran is very mountainous. You are asking for trouble trying to knock them over. Why do people think taking over another country is easy? Putin said he was knocking off Ukraine in 3 days.
Who is it that thinks overtaking a country is easy? No one is taking over Iran, nor are they even thinking about it. All the bombing
did was to destroy Iran's development of nukes. My prediction, and it's only a prediction is that the Iran people will eventually
overthrow their dictator leadership since the current dictator has lost most if not all of his will power and weaponry in which to
bomb and terrorize other nations (like Israel and the U.S.).
 
We knocked out a couple of ME countries in the past, Iraq and Afghanistan. How did that work out?If quickly means 20 years or never, you are right. Iran is very mountainous. You are asking for trouble trying to knock them over. Why do people think taking over another country is easy? Putin said he was knocking off Ukraine in 3 days.

I think we agree in regards to Iraq and Afghanistan. But I'm curious as to where you got this notion that Putin "said he was knocking off Ukraine in 3 days".
 
I think we agree in regards to Iraq and Afghanistan. But I'm curious as to where you got this notion that Putin "said he was knocking off Ukraine in 3 days".
When the Russians deployed 10% of the force that would be required to defeat the very large NATO army in Ukraine.

So many people believe the pap they are told to believe.
 
We knocked out a couple of ME countries in the past, Iraq and Afghanistan. How did that work out?If quickly means 20 years or never, you are right. Iran is very mountainous. You are asking for trouble trying to knock them over. Why do people think taking over another country is easy? Putin said he was knocking off Ukraine in 3 days.
I think we agree in regards to Iraq and Afghanistan. But I'm curious as to where you got this notion that Putin "said he was knocking off Ukraine in 3 days".
When the Russians deployed 10% of the force that would be required to defeat the very large NATO army in Ukraine.

I think you're agreeing with me that you doubt Putin said anything resembling what Nordberg said, right?
 
I certainly hope it's true.
That's the current situation. Can they stop Israel from hittin' teh Ayatollah? Idk on that one. Tomorrow is another day.
But this is a great day for America and all the world, really. All the nations.
Maybe not the nation of Leftist Shitlords, but their numbers are few
 
I think you're agreeing with me that you doubt Putin said anything resembling what Nordberg said, right?
The Russians were trying to get the Ukrainians attention, which worked, they did a deal with the Russians....until they got their orders to not sign the deal from their superiors in Washington and London....an order they claimed that all of Europe agreed with.

"If you sign this deal you are dead to us" is how it went I have been told.
 
When the Russians deployed 10% of the force that would be required to defeat the very large NATO army in Ukraine.
I think you're agreeing with me that you doubt Putin said anything resembling what Nordberg said, right?
The Russians were trying to get the Ukrainians attention, which worked, they did a deal with the Russians....until they got their orders to not sign the deal from their superiors in Washington and London....an order they claimed that all of Europe agreed with.

"If you sign this deal you are dead to us" is how it went I have been told.

Well, I haven't heard -exactly- the same thing, but close. From Jeffrey Sachs' speech to European Parliament:
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Why did Ukraine walk away from the negotiations? Because the United States told them to and because the U.K. added icing to the cake by having BoJo [Boris Johnson, the former U.K. prime minister] go to Kyiv in early April to Ukraine to make the same point.

[U.K Prime Minister] Keir Starmer turns out to be even worse, even more of a warmonger. It’s unimaginable, but it is true. Boris Johnson explained, and you can find it on the web, that what’s at stake here is nothing less than Western hegemony! Not Ukraine but Western hegemony.

Michael von der Schulenberg and I met at the Vatican with a group of experts in Spring 2022, and we wrote a document explaining that nothing good can come out of continued war. (The meeting at the Vatican was the Fraternal Economy Session on Jubilee 2025: “Hope in the Signs of the Times.”)

Our group argued strenuously, but to no avail, that Ukraine should negotiate immediately, because delays will mean massive deaths, risk of nuclear escalation, and possibly an outright loss of the war.

I wouldn’t want to change one word from what we wrote then. Nothing was wrong in that document. Since the U.S. talked Ukraine out of the negotiations, perhaps one million Ukrainians have died or been severely wounded.

And American senators who are as nasty and cynical as imaginable say this is a wonderful expenditure of U.S. money because no Americans are dying. It’s the pure proxy war. One of our senators nearby New York State, Connecticut’s Richard Blumenthal, said this out loud. Mitt Romney said this out loud. It’s the best money America can spend. No Americans are dying. It’s unreal.

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That's the current situation. Can they stop Israel from hittin' teh Ayatollah? Idk on that one. Tomorrow is another day.
But this is a great day for America and all the world, really. All the nations.
Maybe not the nation of Leftist Shitlords, but their numbers are few

From what I saw, some on the left -and- the right were not happy with Trump's bombing of Iran. That being said, it looks like the ceasefire is real. I -suspect- that Russia may have had something to do with it. In any case, Larry Johnson had some things to say about it, as well as Trump's bombing of Iran's nuclear sites:
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Now comes the Sunday morning bombings of Fordow, Natanz and Isfahan. White House insists all were obliterated and Iran’s nuclear program wiped out. Only one teeny, tiny problem… none of the satellite imagery supports that claim. Before Sunday, we knew where Iran’s enriched uranium was located and IAEA inspectors had access to the three sites. Now? Iran removed the enriched uranium to a classified site and is moving to end IAEA inspections of Iran’s nuclear program.

The national security committee of Iran’s parliament approved the general outline of a bill meant to fully suspend Tehran’s cooperation with the UN nuclear watchdog, semi-official Tasnim news agency reported on, citing committee spokesperson Ebrahim Rezaei.

Rezaei said that according to the bill, installing surveillance cameras, allowing inspections, and submitting reports to the IAEA would be suspended as long as the security of nuclear facilities is not guaranteed. Parliament still has to approve the bill in a plenary.

Way to go Trump!! Instead of ending Iran’s quest for a nuclear weapon — which Iran shelved 22 years ago — Donald Trump has given Iranian hardliners more proof that the only way Iran can be secure in the future is to manufacture nuclear warheads.

Then, today in Washington, DC, around 6 pm, Trump announced a ceasefire between Iran and Israel. Following his meeting in Moscow with Vladimir Putin, Iran’s Foreign Minister, Abbas Araqchi, issued the following statement:

The military operations of our powerful Armed Forces to punish Israel for its aggression continued until the very last minute, until 4 am.

Together with all Iranians, I thank our brave Armed Forces, who remain ready to defend our dear country until the last drop of blood and who responded to any enemy attacks until the very last minute.
Israel launched a flurry of final attacks on Tehran immediately prior to the 4 am (Tehran time) deadline for the ceasefire to go into effect. Meanwhile, in Iraq, there were several attacks on US bases prior to 4 am by Iraqi groups aligned with Iran:

In central Iraq, a suicide drone struck (https://t.me/PalestineResist/79412) the military airport in Camp Taji, north of Baghdad, targeting a radar unit and fuel tanks (Media 1, 4). No casualties were reported. West of Baghdad, an explosion was reported near the American Victoria base, with reports of power outages. American drones were reported flying over Baghdad.

In northern Iraq, two explosions were heard at the Balad Air Base (Bakr Air Base) in Salah Al-Din Governorate, with flames seem rising from the base.

In southern Iraq, a drone attack targeted the air radar systems at Imam Ali Base (Talil Air Base) in Nasiriyah (Media 2). Moments ago, air defenses also activated at the American Ain Al-Assad Air Base in Anbar in western Iraq, following a reported targeting by one drone.
While Trump is desperately trying to take credit for these developments, the ceasefire happened in spite of him, not because of his actions. I suspect that Russia, with an assist from China, made this happen. The real story is that Israel caved. Notwithstanding the massive pro-Israel propaganda campaign claiming that Iran was crumpling under Israel’s assault, Iran’s bevy of ballistic and cruise missiles wreaked havoc on Israel and caused significant damage. This is a major defeat for Netanyahu. Let’s hope he is quickly ushered out of office.
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Now, one thing I will say, I actually suspect that Trump -did- have something to do with it, just as he had something to do with a previous ceasefire between Israel and Hamas as well as the U.S. and the Houthis. But in all cases, he didn't act alone.
 
Well, I haven't heard -exactly- the same thing, but close. From Jeffrey Sachs' speech to European Parliament:
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Why did Ukraine walk away from the negotiations? Because the United States told them to and because the U.K. added icing to the cake by having BoJo [Boris Johnson, the former U.K. prime minister] go to Kyiv in early April to Ukraine to make the same point.

[U.K Prime Minister] Keir Starmer turns out to be even worse, even more of a warmonger. It’s unimaginable, but it is true. Boris Johnson explained, and you can find it on the web, that what’s at stake here is nothing less than Western hegemony! Not Ukraine but Western hegemony.

Michael von der Schulenberg and I met at the Vatican with a group of experts in Spring 2022, and we wrote a document explaining that nothing good can come out of continued war. (The meeting at the Vatican was the Fraternal Economy Session on Jubilee 2025: “Hope in the Signs of the Times.”)

Our group argued strenuously, but to no avail, that Ukraine should negotiate immediately, because delays will mean massive deaths, risk of nuclear escalation, and possibly an outright loss of the war.

I wouldn’t want to change one word from what we wrote then. Nothing was wrong in that document. Since the U.S. talked Ukraine out of the negotiations, perhaps one million Ukrainians have died or been severely wounded.

And American senators who are as nasty and cynical as imaginable say this is a wonderful expenditure of U.S. money because no Americans are dying. It’s the pure proxy war. One of our senators nearby New York State, Connecticut’s Richard Blumenthal, said this out loud. Mitt Romney said this out loud. It’s the best money America can spend. No Americans are dying. It’s unreal.

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The "or else" was that the West would have nothing to do with Ukraine, Ukraine would be the bitch of Russia, Ukraine would have no leverage in any negotiations with Russia.

Tis how the American Empire rolls.
 
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