IPCC Report

I'll be dead by time this becomes a civilization killer, and so will the schills on this board and on FOX news, and wherever else they crawl around. Dead.

For younger people, you likely will not be, and certainly, if you are planning on having children, they will not be. They will be smack in the middle of it. Well, good luck.



"The Fifth — and hopefully final — Assessment Report (AR5) from the UN Intergovernmental Panel On Climate Change (IPCC) is due next month. The leaks are already here:
Drafts seen by Reuters of the study by the UN panel of experts, due to be published next month, say it is at least 95 percent likely that human activities – chiefly the burning of fossil fuels – are the main cause of warming since the 1950s.
That is up from at least 90 percent in the last report in 2007, 66 percent in 2001, and just over 50 in 1995, steadily squeezing out the arguments by a small minority of scientists that natural variations in the climate might be to blame.
This is a doubly impressive story since, as we’ve reported, Reuters has slashed climate coverage and pressured reporters to include false balance. Leading climatologists who have seen drafts of the report confirm this story’s accuracy.
Of course, nothing in the report should be a surprise to readers of Climate Progress, since the AR5 is just a (partial) review of the scientific literature (see my 12/11 post, It’s “Extremely Likely That at Least 74% of Observed Warming Since 1950″ Was Manmade; It’s Highly Likely All of It Was). The draft AR5 confirms that natural forces played a very small role in warming since 1950, which again means that human activity is highly likely be a source of virtually all of the recent warming.
I say the AR5 is a “partial” review that is “hopefully” the last because, like every IPCC report, it is an instantly out-of-date snapshot that lowballs future warming because it continues to ignore large parts of the recent literature and omit what it can’t model. For instance, we have known for years that perhaps the single most important carbon-cycle feedback is the thawing of the northern permafrost. The IPCC’s Fifth Assessment climate models completely ignore it, thereby lowballing likely warming this century.
No doubt some in the media will continue to focus on the largely irrelevant finding that the equilibrium climate sensitivity (ECS) may be a tad lower than expected.
In terms of real world warming and its impact on humans, the ECS is a mostly theoretical and oversimplified construct — like the so-called spherical cow. The ECS tells you how much warming you would get IF we started slashing emissions asap and stabilized carbon dioxide concentrations in the air around 550 parts per million (they are currently at 400 ppm, rising over 2 ppm a year, and accelerating) — AND IF there were no slow feedbacks like the defrosting permafrost.
The climate however is not a spherical cow. Every climate scientist I’ve spoken to has said we will blow past 550 ppm if we continue to put off action. Indeed, we’re on track for well past 800 ppm. And a 2012 study found that the carbon feedback from the thawing permafrost alone will likely add 0.4°F – 1.5°F to total global warming by 2100.
So the alarming disruption in our previously stable, civilization-supporting climate depicted in the top figure is our future. On our current emissions path, the main question the ECS answers is whether 9°F warming happens closer to 2080, 2100, or 2120 — hardly a cause for any celebration. Quite the reverse. Warming beyond 7F is “incompatible with organized global community, is likely to be beyond ‘adaptation’, is devastating to the majority of ecosystems & has a high probability of not being stable (i.e. 4°C [7F] would be an interim temperature on the way to a much higher equilibrium level,” as climate expert Kevin Anderson explains here.
Dr. Michael Mann emailed me:
The report is simply an exclamation mark on what we already knew: Climate change is real and it continues unabated, the primary cause is fossil fuel burning, and if we don’t do something to reduce carbon emissions we can expect far more dangerous and potentially irreversible impacts on us and our environment in the decades to come.
As for the seeming slowdown in global warming, that turns out to be only true if one looks narrowly at surface air temperatures, where only a small fraction of warming ends up. Arctic sea ice melt has accelerated. Disintegration of the great ice sheets of Greenland and Antarctica has sped up. The rate of sea level rise has doubled from last century.
Finally, very recent studies of the ocean, which has absorbed the vast majority of the heat, also showglobal warming has accelerated in the past 15 years. Sadly, the AR5 appears to have stopped considering new scientific findings before the publication of this research.

Reuters notes that climate scientists are “finding it harder than expected to predict the impact in specific regions in coming decades.” This regional uncertainty is not surprising but still quite alarming. Indeed, it is a key reason adaptation to climate change is so much more difficult and expensive than simply reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
After all, if you don’t know where the next super-storm or super-heatwave is going to hit, you pretty much have to prepare everywhere. As a major 2011 study by Sandia National Laboratory concluded, “It is the uncertainty associated with climate change that validates the need to act protectively and proactively.” That study found because of “climate uncertainty as it pertains to rainfall alone, the U.S. economy is at risk of losing” a trillion dollars and 7 million American jobs over the next several decades.
On this point, climatologist Kevin Trenberth e-mailed me:
“We can confidently say that the risk of drought and heat waves has gone up and the odds of a hot spot somewhere on the planet have increased but the hotspot moves around and the location is not very predictable. This year perhaps it is East Asia: China, or earlier Siberia? It has been much wetter and cooler in the US (except for SW), whereas last year the hot spot was the US. Earlier this year it was Australia (Tasmania etc) in January (southern summer). We can name spots for all summers going back quite a few years: Australia in 2009, the Russian heat wave in 2010, Texas in 2011, etc.
Similarly with risk of high rains and floods: They are occurring but the location moves.”
The point is, we know that many kinds of off-the-charts extreme weather events will get more intense, longer lasting, and more frequent — in fact, they already are. But we don’t know exactly where and when they will hit, which means adaptation requires pretty much everybody, everywhere to plan the worst-case. Just when you think the Jersey shore is very unlikely to be hit by a superstorm, along comes Sandy.
I very much doubt the IPCC’s Fifth Assessment Report will move the needle on climate action because of its inadequacies; because the media has scaled back climate coverage and let go of its best climate reporters; and because the fossil fuel funded disinformation campaign will try to exploit those first two problems to make it seem like this report gives us less to worry about, when it simply underscores what we have known for a quarter-century. Continued inaction on climate change risks the end of modern civilization as we know it.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/20...ming-is-caused-by-humans-impacts-speeding-up/
 
I'll be dead by time this becomes a civilization killer, and so will the schills on this board and on FOX news, and wherever else they crawl around. Dead.

For younger people, you likely will not be, and certainly, if you are planning on having children, they will not be. They will be smack in the middle of it. Well, good luck.



"The Fifth — and hopefully final — Assessment Report (AR5) from the UN Intergovernmental Panel On Climate Change (IPCC) is due next month. The leaks are already here:
Drafts seen by Reuters of the study by the UN panel of experts, due to be published next month, say it is at least 95 percent likely that human activities – chiefly the burning of fossil fuels – are the main cause of warming since the 1950s.
That is up from at least 90 percent in the last report in 2007, 66 percent in 2001, and just over 50 in 1995, steadily squeezing out the arguments by a small minority of scientists that natural variations in the climate might be to blame.
This is a doubly impressive story since, as we’ve reported, Reuters has slashed climate coverage and pressured reporters to include false balance. Leading climatologists who have seen drafts of the report confirm this story’s accuracy.
Of course, nothing in the report should be a surprise to readers of Climate Progress, since the AR5 is just a (partial) review of the scientific literature (see my 12/11 post, It’s “Extremely Likely That at Least 74% of Observed Warming Since 1950″ Was Manmade; It’s Highly Likely All of It Was). The draft AR5 confirms that natural forces played a very small role in warming since 1950, which again means that human activity is highly likely be a source of virtually all of the recent warming.
I say the AR5 is a “partial” review that is “hopefully” the last because, like every IPCC report, it is an instantly out-of-date snapshot that lowballs future warming because it continues to ignore large parts of the recent literature and omit what it can’t model. For instance, we have known for years that perhaps the single most important carbon-cycle feedback is the thawing of the northern permafrost. The IPCC’s Fifth Assessment climate models completely ignore it, thereby lowballing likely warming this century.
No doubt some in the media will continue to focus on the largely irrelevant finding that the equilibrium climate sensitivity (ECS) may be a tad lower than expected.
In terms of real world warming and its impact on humans, the ECS is a mostly theoretical and oversimplified construct — like the so-called spherical cow. The ECS tells you how much warming you would get IF we started slashing emissions asap and stabilized carbon dioxide concentrations in the air around 550 parts per million (they are currently at 400 ppm, rising over 2 ppm a year, and accelerating) — AND IF there were no slow feedbacks like the defrosting permafrost.
The climate however is not a spherical cow. Every climate scientist I’ve spoken to has said we will blow past 550 ppm if we continue to put off action. Indeed, we’re on track for well past 800 ppm. And a 2012 study found that the carbon feedback from the thawing permafrost alone will likely add 0.4°F – 1.5°F to total global warming by 2100.
So the alarming disruption in our previously stable, civilization-supporting climate depicted in the top figure is our future. On our current emissions path, the main question the ECS answers is whether 9°F warming happens closer to 2080, 2100, or 2120 — hardly a cause for any celebration. Quite the reverse. Warming beyond 7F is “incompatible with organized global community, is likely to be beyond ‘adaptation’, is devastating to the majority of ecosystems & has a high probability of not being stable (i.e. 4°C [7F] would be an interim temperature on the way to a much higher equilibrium level,” as climate expert Kevin Anderson explains here.
Dr. Michael Mann emailed me:
The report is simply an exclamation mark on what we already knew: Climate change is real and it continues unabated, the primary cause is fossil fuel burning, and if we don’t do something to reduce carbon emissions we can expect far more dangerous and potentially irreversible impacts on us and our environment in the decades to come.
As for the seeming slowdown in global warming, that turns out to be only true if one looks narrowly at surface air temperatures, where only a small fraction of warming ends up. Arctic sea ice melt has accelerated. Disintegration of the great ice sheets of Greenland and Antarctica has sped up. The rate of sea level rise has doubled from last century.
Finally, very recent studies of the ocean, which has absorbed the vast majority of the heat, also showglobal warming has accelerated in the past 15 years. Sadly, the AR5 appears to have stopped considering new scientific findings before the publication of this research.

Reuters notes that climate scientists are “finding it harder than expected to predict the impact in specific regions in coming decades.” This regional uncertainty is not surprising but still quite alarming. Indeed, it is a key reason adaptation to climate change is so much more difficult and expensive than simply reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
After all, if you don’t know where the next super-storm or super-heatwave is going to hit, you pretty much have to prepare everywhere. As a major 2011 study by Sandia National Laboratory concluded, “It is the uncertainty associated with climate change that validates the need to act protectively and proactively.” That study found because of “climate uncertainty as it pertains to rainfall alone, the U.S. economy is at risk of losing” a trillion dollars and 7 million American jobs over the next several decades.
On this point, climatologist Kevin Trenberth e-mailed me:
“We can confidently say that the risk of drought and heat waves has gone up and the odds of a hot spot somewhere on the planet have increased but the hotspot moves around and the location is not very predictable. This year perhaps it is East Asia: China, or earlier Siberia? It has been much wetter and cooler in the US (except for SW), whereas last year the hot spot was the US. Earlier this year it was Australia (Tasmania etc) in January (southern summer). We can name spots for all summers going back quite a few years: Australia in 2009, the Russian heat wave in 2010, Texas in 2011, etc.
Similarly with risk of high rains and floods: They are occurring but the location moves.”
The point is, we know that many kinds of off-the-charts extreme weather events will get more intense, longer lasting, and more frequent — in fact, they already are. But we don’t know exactly where and when they will hit, which means adaptation requires pretty much everybody, everywhere to plan the worst-case. Just when you think the Jersey shore is very unlikely to be hit by a superstorm, along comes Sandy.
I very much doubt the IPCC’s Fifth Assessment Report will move the needle on climate action because of its inadequacies; because the media has scaled back climate coverage and let go of its best climate reporters; and because the fossil fuel funded disinformation campaign will try to exploit those first two problems to make it seem like this report gives us less to worry about, when it simply underscores what we have known for a quarter-century. Continued inaction on climate change risks the end of modern civilization as we know it.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/20...ming-is-caused-by-humans-impacts-speeding-up/


That is why so many are so willing to discount the threat of Climate Change...it won't affect them personally so why should they do anything? They simply do not care what happens to future generations once they have shuffled off this mortal coil.
 
That is why so many are so willing to discount the threat of Climate Change...it won't affect them personally so why should they do anything? They simply do not care what happens to future generations once they have shuffled off this mortal coil.

Stemming emissions is ultimately going to be reliant on technology that we don't quite have right now. But it will require a revolution in how we produce & use energy. Carpooling & lowering emission standards on current cars - & all of the other half-measures that get suggested - won't amount to much at this point.
 
That is why so many are so willing to discount the threat of Climate Change...it won't affect them personally so why should they do anything? They simply do not care what happens to future generations once they have shuffled off this mortal coil.

On another site, talking about solar panels, some posters are all "Solar panels may last 25 years, but I won't, so what's the point?"

They also say the payback will be longer than they plan to keep their house, so again -why bother?

Short-term, it may make sense for them. Long-term, it's bad for our planet that they only look short-term.
 
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Stemming emissions is ultimately going to be reliant on technology that we don't quite have right now. But it will require a revolution in how we produce & use energy. Carpooling & lowering emission standards on current cars - & all of the other half-measures that get suggested - won't amount to much at this point.

I agree.

It is going to take a revolution in how we produce and use energy and until we can get energy producers to embrace cleaner methods of energy production we won't be making much of a dent. That said, every little bit does it's part and we must get the general populace to work together towards ideas such as those you mentioned.
 
Stemming emissions is ultimately going to be reliant on technology that we don't quite have right now. But it will require a revolution in how we produce & use energy. Carpooling & lowering emission standards on current cars - & all of the other half-measures that get suggested - won't amount to much at this point.

Not true. We could be entirely off fossil fuels by 2030 but it would require tremendous will. It is the will that we don't have right now.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=a-path-to-sustainable-energy-by-2030

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-to-power-the-world
 
I agree.

It is going to take a revolution in how we produce and use energy and until we can get energy producers to embrace cleaner methods of energy production we won't be making much of a dent. That said, every little bit does it's part and we must get the general populace to work together towards ideas such as those you mentioned.

We've been working on the revolution for decades. The solutions are completely available now, we simply lack the will to implement them.
 
We've been working on the revolution for decades. The solutions are completely available now, we simply lack the will to implement them.

When you talk about will, have you thought through the economic ramifications of a wholescale, revolutionary change in the way we both use & produce energy?

And how about getting China, Japan, India, et al. to go along?
 
When you talk about will, have you thought through the economic ramifications of a wholescale, revolutionary change in the way we both use & produce energy?

And how about getting China, Japan, India, et al. to go along?

Have you read about the economic ramifications of climate change?
 
Have you read about the economic ramifications of climate change?

Yep - they're dreadful. But before we move forward with a revolutionary change in energy consumption & production, would you say the following might be important to guarantee?
1) Will other industrialized nations agree to the same sort of revolution? Because if not, it won't amount to much what America does.
2) Will a complete reduction in emissions make a difference at this point? Lots of scientists are saying "not really" right now; that our time is best spent preparing for the coming changes. Even if everyone accepts the premise of AGW, it's still over a century before a complete reduction of emissions (cold turkey) will have any affect whatsoever
3) How many jobs will it cost to make the kinds of changes that Rune is talking about? Wholescale change, without the technology that is needed, would likely have a devastating affect on the economy, and put many people out of work.

If the 3rd point is okay with you, wouldn't you want to be sure on the 1st 2 - to know that putting so many people out of work would actually make any kind of difference?
 
Yep - they're dreadful. But before we move forward with a revolutionary change in energy consumption & production, would you say the following might be important to guarantee?
1) Will other industrialized nations agree to the same sort of revolution? Because if not, it won't amount to much what America does.
2) Will a complete reduction in emissions make a difference at this point? Lots of scientists are saying "not really" right now; that our time is best spent preparing for the coming changes. Even if everyone accepts the premise of AGW, it's still over a century before a complete reduction of emissions (cold turkey) will have any affect whatsoever
3) How many jobs will it cost to make the kinds of changes that Rune is talking about? Wholescale change, without the technology that is needed, would likely have a devastating affect on the economy, and put many people out of work.

If the 3rd point is okay with you, wouldn't you want to be sure on the 1st 2 - to know that putting so many people out of work would actually make any kind of difference?

Ideally, the revolutionary change LEADS to jobs - we move people from producing oil and coal to producing solar panels and wind turbines.

It will be pricey either way; and you're right, we need to be prepped whatever we do. We need to put efforts into fighting the effects of global climate change - personally, I think most of Florida should be evacuated. It's a goner. We have to put efforts into alternative energy as well, developing those technologies so we actually HAVE a choice. And yes, we need to retrain people.

Europe would come onboard quickly. It's India and China that we need to worry about; but if we don't have ideas and technologies to offer them, why would they change?

We will be in turmoil no matter what. Imagine waves of refugees from low lying islands invading coastlines around the world - including ours. But if we don't accept it can happen - we won't plan for it.

Why was the Y2K thing not a big deal? Because we anticipated it, planned for it, put in measures to correct the problem areas.

We need to do that with global climate change- but first we have to accept it.

California understands it. There was a Newsweek article a couple years ago about all the steps the Ca. agriculture board, for example, is doing to adapt - like getting farmers to plant different crops. Cities in California are planning for the changes, etc. (Don't remember the details)

Accept, plan, look for alternative fuels, look for ways to cope with the impact. But first, we need lawmakers willing to accept.
 
Ideally, the revolutionary change LEADS to jobs - we move people from producing oil and coal to producing solar panels and wind turbines.

It will be pricey either way; and you're right, we need to be prepped whatever we do. We need to put efforts into fighting the effects of global climate change - personally, I think most of Florida should be evacuated. It's a goner. We have to put efforts into alternative energy as well, developing those technologies so we actually HAVE a choice. And yes, we need to retrain people.

Europe would come onboard quickly. It's India and China that we need to worry about; but if we don't have ideas and technologies to offer them, why would they change?

We will be in turmoil no matter what. Imagine waves of refugees from low lying islands invading coastlines around the world - including ours. But if we don't accept it can happen - we won't plan for it.

Why was the Y2K thing not a big deal? Because we anticipated it, planned for it, put in measures to correct the problem areas.

We need to do that with global climate change- but first we have to accept it.

California understands it. There was a Newsweek article a couple years ago about all the steps the Ca. agriculture board, for example, is doing to adapt - like getting farmers to plant different crops. Cities in California are planning for the changes, etc. (Don't remember the details)

Accept, plan, look for alternative fuels, look for ways to cope with the impact. But first, we need lawmakers willing to accept.

That's a nice post, tekky. I can't say that I disagree w/ a lot of that.

But it's the last point that is really the stickler. Lawmakers don't want to do anything because of the economic impact. That's what they care about - the jobs of their constituents. While you're correct that renewables will create new jobs, most think that will pale in comparison to the jobs lost if we try to implement some sort of energy revolution with mandates and new standards.

Beyond that, most are not convinced it will amount to a hill of beans. I'm not either, and I'm on the green side. I mean, just starting with China - unless we can convince them to do the same thing we're doing, it won't matter. Kyoto didn't make any kind of impact in world emissions, and that was a modest measure.

My whole thinking the last few years is that the technology will lead the way - not the lawmakers. It's only a matter of time before alternatives make sense because they're more practical, affordable & effective.
 
That's a nice post, tekky. I can't say that I disagree w/ a lot of that.

But it's the last point that is really the stickler. Lawmakers don't want to do anything because of the economic impact. That's what they care about - the jobs of their constituents. While you're correct that renewables will create new jobs, most think that will pale in comparison to the jobs lost if we try to implement some sort of energy revolution with mandates and new standards.

Beyond that, most are not convinced it will amount to a hill of beans. I'm not either, and I'm on the green side. I mean, just starting with China - unless we can convince them to do the same thing we're doing, it won't matter. Kyoto didn't make any kind of impact in world emissions, and that was a modest measure.

My whole thinking the last few years is that the technology will lead the way - not the lawmakers. It's only a matter of time before alternatives make sense because they're more practical, affordable & effective.

Yeah, lawmakers are pretty short-term thinkers... only thinking to the next election.

I'm pretty pessimistic at this point. I don't think we're going to change anything, and I think we're going to be really unhappy in a few years. But the effort required is a worldwide effort, and we can't even agree on this website; how can we get the country to change, much less the world?

Our poor grandchildren.
 
Yep - they're dreadful. But before we move forward with a revolutionary change in energy consumption & production, would you say the following might be important to guarantee?
1) Will other industrialized nations agree to the same sort of revolution? Because if not, it won't amount to much what America does.
2) Will a complete reduction in emissions make a difference at this point? Lots of scientists are saying "not really" right now; that our time is best spent preparing for the coming changes. Even if everyone accepts the premise of AGW, it's still over a century before a complete reduction of emissions (cold turkey) will have any affect whatsoever
3) How many jobs will it cost to make the kinds of changes that Rune is talking about? Wholescale change, without the technology that is needed, would likely have a devastating affect on the economy, and put many people out of work.

If the 3rd point is okay with you, wouldn't you want to be sure on the 1st 2 - to know that putting so many people out of work would actually make any kind of difference?

Obviously you read neither article.
 
That's a nice post, tekky. I can't say that I disagree w/ a lot of that.

But it's the last point that is really the stickler. Lawmakers don't want to do anything because of the economic impact. That's what they care about - the jobs of their constituents. While you're correct that renewables will create new jobs, most think that will pale in comparison to the jobs lost if we try to implement some sort of energy revolution with mandates and new standards.

Beyond that, most are not convinced it will amount to a hill of beans. I'm not either, and I'm on the green side. I mean, just starting with China - unless we can convince them to do the same thing we're doing, it won't matter. Kyoto didn't make any kind of impact in world emissions, and that was a modest measure.

My whole thinking the last few years is that the technology will lead the way - not the lawmakers. It's only a matter of time before alternatives make sense because they're more practical, affordable & effective.

They already do. That's the point, it is the people who don't have the will to buy a Volt, install solar panels and a pellet stove, saving tons of money, pollution and resources.
 
They are way ahead of us, and laughing all the way to the bank.

China? You need to do a lot more reading, Rune.

China leads the world in emissions, and has for years. And they continue to churn out more.

Does your 2030 plan include them, or not? Because if it doesn't include them...what possible difference do you think America making this moon-shot x 1,000 effort can have?
 
China? You need to do a lot more reading, Rune.

China leads the world in emissions, and has for years. And they continue to churn out more.

Does your 2030 plan include them, or not? Because if it doesn't include them...what possible difference do you think America making this moon-shot x 1,000 effort can have?

Read the article.
 
Read the article.

I did, AND some of the responses. The wind turbine plan alone might cost between $20 - 30 trillion dollars.

It's a nice dream, but it's written like a dream. Very few practical considerations - particularly as they relate to the business community & the economy - are taken into account.

And nowhere did I see any verbiage whatsoever about how we get China, India, Japan et al. to change what they do on a wholescale basis as well.
 
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