"Intelligent design" creationism basically finished

PostmodernProphet said:
I concur.....the issue is the process, not the existence of organic chemicals.......science has fully established the existence of amino acids, peptides, even RNA.......there have been NO tests of the process of life emerging from those organic chemicals.........
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I should get paid for teaching you science. I had to pay tuition $$ and work hard to acquire the knowledge myself.

I accept your tacit confession that the process of abiogenesis is being tested.

You're jumping ahead to where abiogenesis achieves the status of theory - where cellular life is confirmed by a process originating from prebiotic material.

That is just a result of your scientific ignorance. A hypothesis is different from a confirmed theory in scientific inquiry.

A process as complex as abiogenesis is never going to be understood with one single grand test that settles the question for all time.

The Higgs boson was only a hypothesis in the early 1960s. It took 50 years of many baby steps and intermediate steps to confirm the Higgs field.
 
Cypress said:
I accept your tacit confession that the process of abiogenesis is being tested.
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obviously a third grader shouldn't pretend he is teaching anyone anything.....thanks for your tacit admission you are a third grader....

You're jumping ahead to where abiogenesis achieves the status of theory
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no.....science does not begin testing when an hypothosis becomes a theory......an hypothesis becomes an hypothesis if it can be tested.....it becomes a theory after it shows some sign of success.......show me a potential experiment of the process.....

Miller-Urey was the only attempt I am aware of........has anyone ever attempted to repeat it with the correct mix of organic chemicals?......
 
Into the Night said:
Science has NO theories about past unobserved events.
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Obviously, you're one of those rare individuals who are unaware that when you look at the stars, you are looking into the past. The night sky is the perfect laboratory for observing past events and developing theories about them.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
obviously a third grader shouldn't pretend he is teaching anyone anything.....thanks for your tacit admission you are a third grader....



no.....science does not begin testing when an hypothosis becomes a theory......an hypothesis becomes an hypothesis if it can be tested.....it becomes a theory after it shows some sign of success.......show me a potential experiment of the process.....
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Now you're just flailing.

I leave you to frantically google for tidbits of information about science and stew in your ignorance.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
you are relegated back to "likes to talk but doesn't have a clue" status......
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Feel free to put up a public poll querying members who is more educated, knowledgeable, and honest, you or me??

Two generations of biochemists would be amused, and possibly laugh in your face, if you hollered at them they had not been conducting experiments on the hypothesized process of abiogenesis.
 
Cypress said:
Scientists aren't paid to teach atheism. There is no reason to be afraid of mentioning an unknown creative force underlying nature. Doesn't mean you have to agree with it

Why be afraid to at least mention it?

The job of the scientist is not to deny that speculation includes a grand designer. But it is to focus attention on what is testable with the tools of science. And it's fine to identify problems with any such speculations
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I had a paleontology professor who told the class he was going to teach us the evolution of life on Earth, but if somebody wanted to believe there was a divine hand in it, he said that was fine. He wasn't there to teach or judge religious belief.
 
Cypress said:
Feel free to put up a public poll querying members who is more educated, knowledgeable, and honest, you or me??

Two generations of biochemists would be amused, and possibly laugh in your face, if you hollered at them they had not been conducting experiments on the hypothesized process of abiogenesis.
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and I would be amused if they could prove they were expecting to create life......as for your popularity poll, can we exclude all the amazonerds from voting?.......you've got them believing your bullshit about theology is actually true......
 
Cypress said:
I had a paleontology professor who told the class he was going to teach us the evolution of life on Earth, but if somebody wanted to believe there was a divine hand in it, he said that was fine. He wasn't there to teach or judge religious belief.
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Yes. And it shows how faith is myth and useless to understand our world.
 
BidenPresident said:
Yes. And it shows how faith is myth and useless to understand our world.
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On a day to day basis, quantum mechanics, general relativity, and thermodynamics aren't something people really think about.

What people are thinking about is how to live their lives and what values to cultivate. Which for the world's five billion Jews, Muslims, christians, Hindus, and Buddhists means to some significant extent cultivating their traditional religious ethics and metaphysics.
 
BidenPresident said:
And lots of people think Trump is a good guy. So, I don't really care what "people really think about."
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Trump is an atheist.

My post was about people who don't really think about quantum mechanics, but spend a lot of time thinking about how to best live life and prioritize their values, consistent with their religious or spiritual traditions.
 
Cypress said:
Trump is an atheist.

My post was about people who don't really think about quantum mechanics, but spend a lot of time thinking about how to best live life and prioritize their values, consistent with their religious or spiritual traditions.
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And I said I do not care about them.
 
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