Insane Obama and Dems Climate Plan now to cost $2 TRILLION

KingCondanomation

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3 times the original estimate, get ready to pay a lot more for a lot more things. I'm sure strict regulation of irrelevant CO2 will really help to lure and entice business with jobs, there's nothing companies like more than to pay more.

What a waste and terrible direction.

"President Obama's climate plan could cost industry close to $2 trillion, nearly three times the White House's initial estimate of the so-called "cap-and-trade" legislation, according to Senate staffers who were briefed by the White House.

A top economic aide to Mr. Obama told a group of Senate staffers last month that the president's climate-change plan would surely raise more than the $646 billion over eight years the White House had estimated publicly, according to multiple a number of staffers who attended the briefing Feb. 26.

"We all looked at each other like, 'Wow, that's a big number,'" said a top Republican staffer who attended the meeting along with between 50 and 60 other Democratic and Republican congressional aides.

The plan seeks to reduce pollution by setting a limit on carbon emissions and allowing businesses and groups to buy allowances, although exact details have not been released.

At the meeting, Jason Furman, a top Obama staffer, estimated that the president's cap-and-trade program could cost up to three times as much as the administration's early estimate of $646 billion over eight years. A study of an earlier cap-and-trade bill co-sponsored by Mr. Obama when he was a senator estimated the cost could top $366 billion a year by 2015. "
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/18/obama-climate-plan-could-cost-2-trillion/
 
I'm so sick of you people that I just cant even muster reading your horseshit anymore.

Do you have any idea how much money you cheered the spending of that did nothing but got Americans killed, distroyed our economy and made us a paria in the world?

Do you have even a inclining of how much money this economic fiasco cost the "industry" you are talking about?

You guys are massive failures for this country, just shut up and let the adults fix everything MMMKAY?
 
This passing may make me sad we don't have more republicans.
Just because bush was retarded on the war and science doesn't mean everything dems want to do is good for our economy.
DO IT WITH HIGH CAFE MANDATES.
OBAMA wants this as reparations, he's going to give the carbon taxes to poor people not invest it in green.
 
I'm so sick of you people that I just cant even muster reading your horseshit anymore.

Do you have any idea how much money you cheered the spending of that did nothing but got Americans killed, distroyed our economy and made us a paria in the world?

Do you have even a inclining of how much money this economic fiasco cost the "industry" you are talking about?

You guys are massive failures for this country, just shut up and let the adults fix everything MMMKAY?

Well nearly everyone agrees Bush's biggest problem was overspending, and your "adult" sophisticated solution is to overspend even more.

The Iraq war cost anywhere from $80 to $100 billion per year and will definetely end, how much will this ONE of Obama's many spending initiatives cost per year with no end in sight?
 
Well nearly everyone agrees Bush's biggest problem was overspending, and your "adult" sophisticated solution is to overspend even more.

The Iraq war cost anywhere from $80 to $100 billion per year and will definetely end, how much will this cost per year with no end in sight?


Cap and trade doesn't involve government spending.
 
Well nearly everyone agrees Bush's biggest problem was overspending, and your "adult" sophisticated solution is to overspend even more.

The Iraq war cost anywhere from $80 to $100 billion per year and will definetely end, how much will this ONE of Obama's many spending initiatives cost per year with no end in sight?
I don't know. Are we close to winning the "War on Poverty" yet?

The words "War on" are the most overused words in Politics.
 
Cap and trade doesn't involve government spending.

You're right it doesn't. But it's effect will be to jack up energy costs for Americans, especially the "needy" Americans who may not be able to heat their homes during the winter because of the cost of electrcity.
 
I'm so sick of you people that I just cant even muster reading your horseshit anymore.

Do you have any idea how much money you cheered the spending of that did nothing but got Americans killed, distroyed our economy and made us a paria in the world?

Do you have even a inclining of how much money this economic fiasco cost the "industry" you are talking about?

You guys are massive failures for this country, just shut up and let the adults fix everything MMMKAY?

It's good to see that because Bush did some bad things that Obama gets a free pass on everything he does. Is that putting country first or party first there Desh?
 
I'm so sick of you people that I just cant even muster reading your horseshit anymore.

Do you have any idea how much money you cheered the spending of that did nothing but got Americans killed, distroyed our economy and made us a paria in the world?

Do you have even a inclining of how much money this economic fiasco cost the "industry" you are talking about?

You guys are massive failures for this country, just shut up and let the adults fix everything MMMKAY?

LOL

Hear, hear! I have to tell you, I don't miss posting here, but I miss a couple of people so I came to look in and say hi. It's been so many years of the same arguments. It's only natural to feel the way you do.
 
LOL

Hear, hear! I have to tell you, I don't miss posting here, but I miss a couple of people so I came to look in and say hi. It's been so many years of the same arguments. It's only natural to feel the way you do.

This was the point made on the why people are posting here less. When you know each other for so long you can basically complete each other's arguments for them.
 
This was the point made on the why people are posting here less. When you know each other for so long you can basically complete each other's arguments for them.

True. And considering that the arguments coming from the conservative part of the room were always lol funny, and have now been thouroughly debunked after 8 years of horror culminating in a complete disaster...it's especially hard for liberals to listen to more of it.
 
True. And considering that the arguments coming from the conservative part of the room were always lol funny, and have now been thouroughly debunked after 8 years of horror culminating in a complete disaster...it's especially hard for liberals to listen to more of it.

I couldn't read your post after the word "True". I inserted a B.S. detector into my computer and something you wrote must have set it off Darla because it deleted the remainder of your response! :)
 
You're right it doesn't. But it's effect will be to jack up energy costs for Americans, especially the "needy" Americans who may not be able to heat their homes during the winter because of the cost of electrcity.

1) Yes, I am right. And Dano is an idiot.

2) Increases in energy costs for low-income households would be recouped through tax credits under the Obama plan.

3) Any assessment of the cost of a cap and trade program must take into account the costs of doing nothing.
 
there will be ginourmous government cost
you are transfering effecient energy cost to welfare and inefficient energy.
No cost. LOFL
 
1) Yes, I am right. And Dano is an idiot.

2) Increases in energy costs for low-income households would be recouped through tax credits under the Obama plan.

3) Any assessment of the cost of a cap and trade program must take into account the costs of doing nothing.

Ok, for the sake of argument we must do something. Cap and Trade is going to have tremendous costs and will end up in government attempting to subsidize certain industries (which will include of course tremendous government waste). Captial wants to go to the cheapest technologies it can find. This I know. If government starts distorting the markets with certain subsidies what we will see is private money then steering away from these cheaper technologies and a massively f'd up program.
 
1) Yes, I am right. And Dano is an idiot.

2) Increases in energy costs for low-income households would be recouped through tax credits under the Obama plan.

3) Any assessment of the cost of a cap and trade program must take into account the costs of doing nothing.

More specifically what you mean by no government cost is in cap and trade itself but the results, which mean higher energy prices, you are saying will have to be subsidized by the government through tax credits for poor folk.
 
Ok, for the sake of argument we must do something. Cap and Trade is going to have tremendous costs and will end up in government attempting to subsidize certain industries (which will include of course tremendous government waste). Captial wants to go to the cheapest technologies it can find. This I know. If government starts distorting the markets with certain subsidies what we will see is private money then steering away from these cheaper technologies and a massively f'd up program.


You pretend the market isn't distorted to begin with.
 
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