Innocent Guantanamo detainees freed after 14 years.

christiefan915

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This ugly stain on our country should have been closed years and years ago. I wonder if the men got any compensation for their ordeal.

"A Tajik and a Yemeni national each held for roughly 14 years at Guantanamo Bay have been freed and sent to the Balkan nation of Serbia, the U.S. Department of Defense announced Monday.

The Pentagon said the two men were released from the U.S. base in Cuba after comprehensive security reviews. It identified the Yemeni as Mansur Ahmad Saad al-Dayfi and the Tajik as Muhammadi Davlatov.

The latest detainee releases come amid a renewed push by the Obama administration to whittle down the number of men held at the U.S. base in Cuba. On Sunday, another Yemeni prisoner was released and sent to Italy after more than 14 years in custody.

...they were never charged with a crime, and authorities ultimately decided they did not pose a security threat and could be freed.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/guantanamo-detainees-serbia-latest-releases-40492156
 
christiefan915 said:
This ugly stain on our country should have been closed years and years ago. I wonder if the men got any compensation for their ordeal.

"A Tajik and a Yemeni national each held for roughly 14 years at Guantanamo Bay have been freed and sent to the Balkan nation of Serbia, the U.S. Department of Defense announced Monday.

The Pentagon said the two men were released from the U.S. base in Cuba after comprehensive security reviews. It identified the Yemeni as Mansur Ahmad Saad al-Dayfi and the Tajik as Muhammadi Davlatov.

The latest detainee releases come amid a renewed push by the Obama administration to whittle down the number of men held at the U.S. base in Cuba. On Sunday, another Yemeni prisoner was released and sent to Italy after more than 14 years in custody.

...they were never charged with a crime, and authorities ultimately decided they did not pose a security threat and could be freed.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/guantanamo-detainees-serbia-latest-releases-40492156
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Not all of then were so benign!!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/616117/Britain-Guantanamo-Bay-Shaker-Aamer-compensation-payout

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Obama is releasing high value terrorists in his political quest to do so - ( these are questionable)
to states like Oman and Somalia that are incapable of monitoring/controlling them -these 2 to Serbia for "re-settlement"
A lot of the earlier Yemeni releases were very bad guys.

Obama is reclassifying them for opportune release
 
Legion Troll said:
If they were held without charges for 14 years it'd be odd if they didn't turn anti
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yep. that's part of it too -but we are either at war or not, and this is an asymmetrical Long War where "bad actors" are akin to enemy combattants.

The problem is Bush over-relied on that -Congress won't let them get a trail in the USA,
and Obama is over-correcting putting bad guys out there.. a FUBAR situation for sure.
 
anatta said:
Obama is releasing high value terrorists in his political quest to do so - ( these are questionable)
to states like Oman and Somalia that are incapable of monitoring/controlling them -these 2 to Serbia for "re-settlement"
A lot of the earlier Yemeni releases were very bad guys.

Obama is reclassifying them for opportune release
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Why do you think they're high value terrorists? What could they do while in jail for 14 years?

People think I'm crazy when I say if these men weren't terrorists before they might be willing to join ISIS now.
 
christiefan915 said:
Why do you think they're high value terrorists? What could they do while in jail for 14 years?

People think I'm crazy when I say if these men weren't terrorists before they might be willing to join ISIS now.
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again I haven't looked at these 2. Here is a review of the January bulk releases: see for yourself.

Obama Just Released 10 Percent of the Detainees at Guantanamo
https://news.vice.com/article/obama-just-released-10-percent-of-the-detainees-at-guantanamo-bay
 
best article I've found on the process: Obama's task force is reclassifying "high risk"
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The Obama administration has released a list of 55 Guantanamo detainees who were approved for transfer by the Guantanamo Bay Review Task Force (GBRTF)
Before the task force was authorized in January 2009, Joint Task Force Guantanamo (JTF-GTMO) had previously assessed all of the detainees held in Cuba.

Ultimately, the task force’s (GBRTF) recommendations differed from JTF-GTMO’s in at least 37 of the 55 cases.

 “high risk” population

That a majority of the detainees on the newly-released list were once determined to be “high risk” is not surprising given how the Guantanamo population evolved over time

34 ‘high risk’ Guantanamo detainees approved for transfer
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2012/09/34_high_risk_guantan.php
 
The Task Force distinguished between detainee “releases” and “transfers.”

Release “is used to mean release from confinement without the need for continuing security measures in the receiving country.” Transfer “is used to mean release from confinement subject to appropriate security measures.”

The distinction is an important one, as almost every one of the detainees on the list (again, if not all) is supposed to be “subject to appropriate security measures” upon transfer. In practice, even these security measures frequently fail to mitigate the threat posed by former Guantanamo detainees.
 
anatta said:
The Task Force distinguished between detainee “releases” and “transfers.”

Release “is used to mean release from confinement without the need for continuing security measures in the receiving country.” Transfer “is used to mean release from confinement subject to appropriate security measures.”

The distinction is an important one, as almost every one of the detainees on the list (again, if not all) is supposed to be “subject to appropriate security measures” upon transfer. In practice, even these security measures frequently fail to mitigate the threat posed by former Guantanamo detainees.
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Whatever the official line is, I'm disturbed that people can be detained indefinitely without be charged.
 
So you don't know anything about the detainees that were released Monday and feel compelled to extrapolate anyway? :palm:

Read the OP and get back to me.
 
christiefan915 said:
Whatever the official line is, I'm disturbed that people can be detained indefinitely without be charged.
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so am I ( for the most part) -even if it's just a military trial for show.
Congress is a large part of the blameby not having trials in the USA for "security" reasons.

Some of these old detainees are simply unable to be prosecuted - evidence is long gone, or uncollected-but these are STILL
"high risk/high value" detainees.

I haven't heard Trump or Clinton mention it -but there needs to be a much better plan going forward.
Right now we are just droning them - and that surely isn't a "trial" either.
 
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