Indiana School Employee: Education Reform = Nazi Ovens

And you are missing the point that I agree- The fact of the matter is that the money right now in the US "follows" the child. The problem is that the LAWS only allow that money to follow them into public programs (if you home-school a child a district get s zip)- Charter schools are still public programs- and ALL of the child's money follows the child into them though they do not require teachers to be in a union.

Again, you are misunderstanding. I am stating that we should change the laws and allow the money to follow the child outside government monopolies. Saying, "the money follows the child therefore this is the same thing" is entirely missing the point of my originating post. We need to fix this, or our children will continue to under perform.

I understand that you agree and like "vouchers", however saying that a place where it is in effect and shown to be effective is the same thing we do now is crazy.

I simply provide an entire nation, one that outperforms all of our government monopoly schools, where the ideas that people promote have been implemented and are working splendidly. Our best students still don't compare, because our schools are failing our children. This isn't because of "poor teachers", it is because we allow failure to continue.

We're very likely going to home school our children after elementary education simply because the government monopoly under performs even poor nations. Our kids desperately need to be educated.
 
Again, you are misunderstanding. I am stating that we should change the laws and allow the money to follow the child outside government monopolies. Saying, "the money follows the child therefore this is the same thing" is entirely missing the point of my originating post. We need to fix this, or our children will continue to under perform.

I understand that you agree and like "vouchers", however saying that a place where it is in effect and shown to be effective is the same thing we do now is crazy.

I simply provide an entire nation, one that outperforms all of our government monopoly schools, where the ideas that people promote have been implemented and are working splendidly. Our best students still don't compare, because our schools are failing our children. This isn't because of "poor teachers", it is because we allow failure to continue.

We're very likely going to home school our children after elementary education simply because the government monopoly under performs even poor nations. Our kids desperately need to be educated.

I missed no point-I agreed with it and merely pointed out that the LAWS already tie the money to the child and so therefore it DOES follow the child.
 
Does anyone on here recall the outrage over some TEA Party activists using "Nazi" references and being called haters and such by the liberal left?

In reality, the teacher unions are dominated by a group of angry leftists who care far more about their compensation packages and collective bargaining privileges than they do about educating children.

That might strike some as a harsh conclusion, but we’ve got the emails to prove it.

Irony abounds...
 
The DeVos Family Values - http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?32494-The-DeVos-Family-Values&p=812814#post812814

Letter: EAG has an agenda, it's not nonpartisan

I am writing in response to the July 22 letter from Kyle Olson, who represents the Education Action Group (EAG) of Muskegon. Mr. Olson is entitled to his opinions, but I feel that it is important for readers to understand who Mr. Olson is, and what the agenda of the EAG really is.

EAG is not a "grassroots" organization as it portrays itself. Nor is it nonpartisan, as it claims. It is essentially two men, Mr. Olson and EAG's founder, Eric Doster. Mr. Doster is the chief legal council for the Michigan state Republican Party. Mr. Doster is also on the board of the Great Lake Education Project (GLEP), and operates his own consulting firm, Sage Consultants.

GLEP is Dick DeVos' pro-voucher political action committee. GLEP also pays Sage Consultants (Doster) for professional services. Mr. Olson is a Republican State Committee member and an AEG staffer. Mr. Olson's brother, Ryan, is the director for education policy for the Mackinac Center for Public Policy, a right-wing think tank whose goal is to undermine and undo public education. Dick DeVos also pumps a lot of money into the Mackinac Center.

In essence, the EAG is nothing more than a front for several existing groups that have led "parochial" campaigns to divert funding for public schools to for-profit companies and private schools. Most of these campaign efforts have been rejected by Michigan voters.

The EAG has refused to publish a list of its donors because, according to their own Web site, they fear that their donors will be singled out and harassed by those who oppose EAG's agenda. This is hypocrisy on the part of Mr. Olson, who has used the Freedom of Information Act to obtain financial records and lists of donors in order to publicly chastise those who dare to challenge him and his organization. He states on the AEG Web site that his organization works "to see that strong-arm tactics school unions use to maintain their power are exposed and help school boards to make decisions that are in the best interest of kids and taxpayers." It would appear that Mr. Olson is not averse to using strong-arm tactics of his own in an effort to silence his critics.

In his letter, Mr. Olson takes particular aim at MESSA, the insurance company which services the Michigan Education Association (the states largest teacher's union). Mr. Olson claims that the MEA "makes millions of dollars from its insurance company every year." MESSA is a non-profit entity. No one is making money from it.

I refer interested readers to the Web site EAGTruth.com to find out more about the EAG, what its true agenda is, and who is behind the organization.

In the interest of full disclosure, I am a public school teacher and a proud member of the MEA.
 
Apple....you're a pinhead.....and although I was going to attempt to explain things to you, I've decided, its not worth the trouble...

Your reasoning is so convoluted and adolescent, no amount of explaining will help you.....its a pity you're allowed to freakin' vote.....their oughta be a law.....
Your stupid points that "if vouchers do not cover the full cost of a year of tuition, who pays?" or "that the child still won't have access" is irrelevant.....

If the vouchers don't cover the full cost, the parent pays the difference....and if the kid still won't have access, then so what .... nothing changes, the kid goes back to the same school as before vouchers....
and you're still an idiot.....:palm:

I see....If I remember correctly Apple has a graduate degree. Where did you and ID get your GED's?

Your a moron of staggering proportions. The Indiana principle Apple sited is spot on about the problem of equity in regards to a voucher system but facts seem to be something that both you and ID ignore when they become inconvenient. The point here is YOU NIT WIT, is that in far to many cases poor and disadvantaged students parents WON'T HAVE THE FUCKING MONEY TO PAY THE BALANCE!!!!!

Christ I can't believe you're so fucking stupid you have to have that explained to you. The quality of a GED sure has gone down hill, hasn't it?
 
No, it is not what happens now. In Belgium if you choose to send your child to Muslim or Catholic eduction, the money for their education follows them. This, except in some very few places where a portion of the money follows them, doesn't happen here.

Except most Americans don't want their tax dollars being used to advance a religious agenda.
 
I see....If I remember correctly Apple has a graduate degree. Where did you and ID get your GED's?

Your a moron of staggering proportions. The Indiana principle Apple sited is spot on about the problem of equity in regards to a voucher system but facts seem to be something that both you and ID ignore when they become inconvenient. The point here is YOU NIT WIT, is that in far to many cases poor and disadvantaged students parents WON'T HAVE THE FUCKING MONEY TO PAY THE BALANCE!!!!!

Christ I can't believe you're so fucking stupid you have to have that explained to you. The quality of a GED sure has gone down hill, hasn't it?

oh look...it is topspin's twin or sock puppet :D
 
I see....If I remember correctly Apple has a graduate degree. Where did you and ID get your GED's?

Your a moron of staggering proportions.

For someone who frequently belittles others' academic achievements, one would think you'd have a good grasp of the difference between YOUR and YOU'RE.

As usual, your pathetic attempt to lord your faux superiority over those whom you deem inferior has only resulted in YOU making a colossal fool of yourself.
 
For someone who frequently belittles others' academic achievements, one would think you'd have a good grasp of the difference between YOUR and YOU'RE.

As usual, your pathetic attempt to lord your faux superiority over those whom you deem inferior has only resulted in YOU making a colossal fool of yourself.

says the guy who thinks that when i post an article from NZ i think it happened in america :rolleyes:
 
I see....If I remember correctly Apple has a graduate degree. Where did you and ID get your GED's?

Your a moron of staggering proportions. The Indiana principle Apple sited is spot on about the problem of equity in regards to a voucher system but facts seem to be something that both you and ID ignore when they become inconvenient. The point here is YOU NIT WIT, is that in far to many cases poor and disadvantaged students parents WON'T HAVE THE FUCKING MONEY TO PAY THE BALANCE!!!!!

Christ I can't believe you're so fucking stupid you have to have that explained to you. The quality of a GED sure has gone down hill, hasn't it?

WTF? You have no idea what you are talking about! Charter Schools ARE PUBLIC SCHOOLS! They do not typically have need of superintendents; principles; or fancy buildings- Basically they are CHEAPER to operate and since the money follows the child in many states that is 6k to 15k per child...there ARE NO SHORTFALLS to be made up! I was able to purchase entire classical curriculum- send my kids to science camp and for PE signed them up for gymnastics and karate. They were able to take piano and participate in math labs. I did have to do the trans[porting for anything outsiide my home. That was one model of a charter---there are literally 100's of models to create and select from-- there are for instance some charters that use older school buildings, but operate more like a liberal arts school-the sky is the limit....all of this was available via my childs stipend-and every year money was not even used.
 
Except most Americans don't want their tax dollars being used to advance a religious agenda.

Right. Because we are too foolish to allow individual freedom and parents to choose the best school we need to continue to fail once our kids get past Elementary school. And no, our schools are not "wonderful" every public school, even the best, underperforms Belgium who doesn't require a religious "test" to allow people to choose an education. We don't allow one for candidates, we're supposed to have freedom in that arena per the 1st, yet we are too stupid to follow a working example that both allows freedom and outperforms our students every year....

Fearmongering idiocy keeps our children stupid to the detriment of our future and the benefit of a Union rather than the students. OMG, somebody might hear the name of Jebus in a school room! They'll do better in every way academically but Gaia Forfend they hear the name of Jebus or Mohamed... Can't do what works, because we have to be afraid of people being educated by nuns...
 
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