PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
Oh, I do like to see the pink.
I had you pegged as more the brown type...
Indiana GOP Rep Thinks Women Will Fake Rape Or Incest To Get An Abortion
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I had you pegged as more the brown type...
Bfgrn
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Jeez dude, you are losing your mind.
You are beyond ignorant, you are obtuse. You emote YOUR beliefs, expect OTHER people to live by them, but then you deny there are any consequences to what you emote.
Yea, there are no consequences FOR YOU. Hey, left wing zealot...maybe all those babies won't have to face the intimidating specter of having their lives taken by the medical system...maybe they will EVAPORATE.
I mean, they were concieved by accident, not by their own doing for God sakes! They dodn't have any way to protect themselves, so now their mother can kill them whenever they want.
Ok, can you see how ridiculous this is??
Hey Bfoon, you agreed that late term abortions should be illegal. So what about those women???? Just because they waited a little too long their lose control of their uterus??
What about the ones that gave birth? Just because they changed their mind you expect them to live with that for 18+ years?? You are cruel beyond belief!!!!!
Bfoon, you are an over-zealous lunatic who shouldn't be allowed to operate anything more complicated than a dull crayon. I have tried to have a rational discussion with you, but you insist on blastinbg away with accusations, name-calling and outright lies. You are trying to portray yourself as some wise old man, but you are more likely a 20-something loser with a minimum wage job who still lives in his parent's basement. Try learning a skill, like reading (and no reading the labels on a cereal box do not count). You are just throwing hissy fit after hissy fit because people do not believe exactly as you do, and then projecting that irrantional behavior on others.
When you grow up let me know and we can try discussing an issue again. Otherwise, take your uneducated, over-bearing, rude, worthless ass someplace else.
But it was nice chattin with you.
Let me respond to you the way you have responded to me.
Nice try...but YOU are the one who 'claims' you are not a radical anti abortion zealot. Then you say these women are killing children. What you need to grow is a spine. You want to come off as moderate, but your own words always betray you.
Bfgrn
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It is a pretty straight forward question. Do you believe Barack Obama want to kill babies?
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
????.....I believe Barack Obama wanted to make it legal for abortion doctors to kill babies born alive during a botched abortion, so in that context....yes.....do I believe he wanted to walk down the street with a shotgun and shoot random children in strollers?.....no.....
Rationalist
Hail Voltaire
Did he not vote against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act? The act made it illegal to kill an infant who survives a botched abortion. So while I wouldn't say Obama has a desire to kill babies (who the hell does?), he certainly doesn't seem to give a damn when others do.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
in fairness you need to take it a step further.....it isn't that he just didn't care if they did it or not........he wanted to ensure that they had the RIGHT to do it.....
Thank you for correcting me. That makes it MUCH worse than I stated, doesn't it you freak?
The US has 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's prisoners.
The right wing 'nanny state' @ $30,000 annually per inmate...it is called fiscal conservatism...
NOW, let's add high school girls and doctors...
I notice that with supermajorities the Democrats did nothing at all about it, congratulations in making good use of a wedge issue that you plan on never actually doing anything about.
Bfgrn
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Do you understand what the medical term 'viable' means? Do you think it's possible the intent of the anti abortion zealots who authored the Illinois bill was to create a way to undermine Roe v. Wade?
Bfgrn
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Really Damo, the so called Democratic supermajorities was for HOW long over the last two decades?
BTW, Democrats have confronted this issue. Senator Jim Webb has been the point man.
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The Virginian Pilot: "Senator Elevates Debate on Failed Drug, Prison Policies," October 18, 2008
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Washington Post Op-Ed: "Two Separate Societies: One in Prison, One Not," April 15, 2008
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National Sheriffs’ Association Endorses Senator Webb’s Criminal Justice Commission Act
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WinterBorn
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LMAO!
I am the one responding to the thread based on scientific data. You are the one trying to make it sound as though anyone who disagrees with you is a zealot.
I have a spine. I did the research and based my beliefs on what I found.
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WinterBorn
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Imagine someone actually answering a straight forward question.
Bfgrn
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OK, let's cut through all the crap. I say the law is fair. A woman can have an abortion within the first 12 weeks...
Now it's your turn, be clear and concise.
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WinterBorn
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And after that? If she claims she was raped, should there be any questions from the authorities?
Bfgrn
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After 12 weeks?
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WinterBorn
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Yes, after 12 weeks.
Bfgrn
New member
Common sense tells me that there would have to be, we are talking about a crime.
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WinterBorn
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So the accusations you so vehemently threw at me would apply to you as well. The difference is when it becomes a crime, not whether it is a crime. And the question becomes at what part of the development of the fetus does it become a human life. The heartbeat starts around week 8.
And yet they are still in prison. Successful lot that. Worthless bill is worthless.
We need to end the insane "War on Drugs" and stop putting people into prisons that are more Universities of Crime that first teach you to ignore all compassion.
Bfgrn
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Rape is a crime, that never changes. What are you talking about?
What I vehemently threw at you is your inability to comprehend the consequences of making abortion illegal. I am convinced you don't come close to comprehending all the unintended consequences it would create.
And yet they are still in prison. Successful lot that. Worthless bill is worthless.
We need to end the insane "War on Drugs" and stop putting people into prisons for what they choose to do to themselves that are more Universities of Crime that first teach you to ignore all compassion. Instead we get platitudes and self-congratulatory nonsense and demagogues who think that something was done when nothing has changed.