Increasing taxes

Althea said:
There may have been a time when it was supposed to represent performance, which would be reflected in increased share price.

However, it is more about tax avoidance, as we see incompetent CEOs getting tens of millions of dollars/bonuses, despite piss poor performance.

Do you know why it's a bad trend? My guess is you don't.
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Stock taken in lieu of salary is taxed as ordinary income...no capital gains tax until you sell that stock
Options ...you have to buy the stock up front with your own money( usually at some discount) and no tax is paid until you sell that stock, as with any investment
Selling short term.....the gain is taxed as ordinary incom
Selling long term......the gain is taxed as capital gains

Bonus money is ordinary income if its cash....

worry about your own taxes, not everyone elses.....These tax laws have been in effect forever, passed by both partys in Congress and if you want
to get pissed at someone, its their fault, not the CEO or Fund Managers.....they live by the laws in effect.....


If people were paid for performance, your job might be in trouble and thousands of school teachers would be sending out resumes every year....
 
Althea said:
There may have been a time when it was supposed to represent performance, which would be reflected in increased share price.

However, it is more about tax avoidance, as we see incompetent CEOs getting tens of millions of dollars/bonuses, despite piss poor performance.

Do you know why it's a bad trend? My guess is you don't.
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bravo said:
Stock taken in lieu of salary is taxed as ordinary income...no capital gains tax until you sell that stock
Options ...you have to buy the stock up front with your own money( usually at some discount) and no tax is paid until you sell that stock, as with any investment
Selling short term.....the gain is taxed as ordinary incom
Selling long term......the gain is taxed as capital gains

Bonus money is ordinary income if its cash....

worry about your own taxes, not everyone elses.....These tax laws have been in effect forever, passed by both partys in Congress and if you want
to get pissed at someone, its their fault, not the CEO or Fund Managers.....they live by the laws in effect.....


If people were paid for performance, your job might be in trouble and thousands of school teachers would be sending out resumes every year....
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Stock shares taken as salary are NOT taxed as income. Basis must now be calculated immediately, as a result of new legislation.
So when you sell, you may pay income tax on basis, and cap gains on any increase in share price. Dividends are cap gains as well, so depending on how long you hold the shares, you still avoid the bulk of taxation.

That'll change when they raise cap gains.


You, however, will always be a moron.
 
Reminds me of Chelsea Clinton, ...went to work for Avenue Capital Group LLC, a New York- based hedge fund firm.
Then married a Goldman Sachs investment banker, Marc Mezvinsky, who is the co-founder of the hedge fund Eaglevale Partners LP.

If this idiot has a beef, I suggest she does this.....send Chelsea a tweet and ask her how she and her husband got paid and
what tax rates they enjoyed.....
 
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bravo said:
Reminds me of Chelsea Clinton, ...went to work for Avenue Capital Group LLC, a New York- based hedge fund firm.
Then married a Goldman Sachs investment banker, Marc Mezvinsky, who is the co-founder of the hedge fund Eaglevale Partners LP.

If this idiot has beef, I suggest she so this.....send Chelsea a tweet and ask her how she and her husband got paid and
what tax rates they enjoyed.....
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She so this? Idiot indeed.

I suggest you 'so' this...ask Clinton if she's against paying higher taxes on her earnings
 
Althea said:
CEO pay is not always options. Quite often, it's stock shares. Big difference.
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I asked you why CEOs started to be compensated in shares of the company. Just admit you don't know and I will be happy to educate you.

I will give you a hint. Bill Clinton.
 
I Love America said:
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I asked you why CEOs started to be compensated in shares of the company. Just admit you don't know and I will be happy to educate you.

I will give you a hint. Bill Clinton.
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I know why. Now you can continue to play with yourself while the adults have intelligent discussion.
 
Althea said:
Stock shares taken as salary are NOT taxed as income. Basis must now be calculated immediately, as a result of new legislation.
So when you sell, you may pay income tax on basis, and cap gains on any increase in share price. Dividends are cap gains as well, so depending on how long you hold the shares, you still avoid the bulk of taxation.

That'll change when they raise cap gains.


You, however, will always be a moron.
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The day your name goes on the stock determines the tax basis, fool..its the price of the stock...thats as immediate as you're gonna get.
....its no mystery...and the tax basis of your holdings could change drastically over time, if you re-invest dividends or buy more of that stock, etc.

No body gets a portfolio of stock for nothing and no tax consequences....its not a freebie.
Except in the case of options, which YOU pay for up front with no tax due until you sell....

and the rest of your rant is what I posted....long term, short term gains are taxed differently....
and of course dividends, if there are any are investment gains....

Nothing will change when they raise the cap. gain rates except the rates.....and you and I will probably suffer more,.... with every other small time investor.......
The tax law will remain exactly what it is today......some loopholes, same tax breaks, same dodges they use today will be there to enjoy, unless of course
Obama decides to negotiate and let Republicans close some of those loopholes like they proposed...
 
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bravo said:
Well, you're in a different debate sonny....
I never said people didn't cheat on taxes, even guys like you.....as a matter of FACT, I distinctly said that there are always exceptions to the rule....
Are you really stupid enough to think raising tax rates will stop cheating?....Tax evasion is a totally different subject.

Of course there is a shadow economy....it started in 1776 or before.....millions of people just like you, think its perfectly ok to get paid under the table, in cash, waiters and waitresses just pocketing tip money, bartering, flea markets, garage sales, uncollected sales tax, etc....their are hundreds of ways to avoid taxes.....overseas tax havens are but one....and available to you as well as the richest....

None of that changes the numbers....the richest in the US pay the bulk of tax revenue collected.....its IRS data....its CBO data.....its public knowledge to anyone that
takes the time to look it up....
The only one taking a beating on this is you.....along with being neo-nazi Jew hater, you're a liar and desperate to find anything to spin your bullshit on this issue.......

I posted the figures from the CBO.....its an undeniable fact the richest in the US pay the bulk of tax revenue collected, 20% paying almost 70% of the taxes......and those numbers have nothing to do with the tax evaders or any shadow economy......the facts are what they are, ....right now...today...this minute....
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The point is that they are NOT paying their fair share. Regardless of the figures you present. The facts are that the rich have been paying less and less tax every year and the middle class has been paying more and more.

Really? How many regular folks use offshore tax havens? Your an idiot!

I know an anti-Christ like you doesn't take the word of Jesus, but do you believe the Pharisees were paying their fair share or were the poor(per percentage of income).


Mark 12:41-43

New International Version (NIV)
The Widow’s Offering

41 Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42 But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.

43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others.

Now even though these rich Pharisees were putting in these high amounts, were the paying their fair share? According to Jesus, ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!
 
I Love America said:
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I asked you why CEOs started to be compensated in shares of the company. Just admit you don't know and I will be happy to educate you.

I will give you a hint. Bill Clinton.
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I'm not interested in your opinions on the topic. That said, cap. gains rates were 28% under Clinton, so if you're advocating for a return to that rate, we are in agreement.
 
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