Increasing carbon dioxide levels blamed

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All those cars and trucks and unrestricted use of bar b que grills in 9000 BC caused a lot of problems .......

If it wasn't for all that anti-environmental activity we could still be enjoying that ice age and saving on our oil bills too......

Its damn lucky that the world population isn't as high as it was in 9000 BC too......

Damn conservatives, just don't accept the science......

They're watching this one
 
I don't have to, as I am not a paleoclimatologist. So I will refer to one who chooses to question the "consensus", namely George Kukla, 77, retired professor of paleoclimatology at Columbia University and researcher at the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory

http://www.helium.com/items/2125333-prepare-for-new-ice-age-now-says-top-paleoclimatologist

Here are a few examples where the consensus was wrong.

In chemistry, for almost a century until 2001, everyone was taught that bond rotation energy barrier around C-C bonds was due to steric hindrance between hydrogens, which is why staggered conformations are preferred over eclipsed. Turned out though that steric factors had no effect, it was hyper-conjugation.

Another example from the pen of Michael Crichton.


I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you’re being had.

Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus. There is no such thing as consensus science. If it’s consensus, it isn’t science. If it’s science, it isn’t consensus. Period.

In addition, let me remind you that the track record of the consensus is nothing to be proud of. Let’s review a few cases. In past centuries, the greatest killer of women was fever following childbirth . One woman in six died of this fever. In 1795, Alexander Gordon of Aberdeen suggested that the fevers were infectious processes, and he was able to cure them. The consensus said no. In 1843, Oliver Wendell Holmes claimed puerperal fever was contagious, and presented compellng evidence. The consensus said no. In 1849, Semmelweiss demonstrated that sanitary techniques virtually eliminated puerperal fever in hospitals under his management. The consensus said he was a Jew, ignored him, and dismissed him from his post. There was in fact no agreement on puerperal fever until the start of the twentieth century. Thus the consensus took one hundred and twenty five years to arrive at the right conclusion despite the efforts of the prominent “skeptics” around the world, skeptics who were demeaned and ignored. And despite the constant ongoing deaths of women.

There is no shortage of other examples. In the 1920s in America, tens of thousands of people, mostly poor, were dying of a disease called pellagra. The consensus of scientists said it was infectious, and what was necessary was to find the “pellagra germ.” The US government asked a brilliant young investigator, Dr. Joseph Goldberger, to find the cause. Goldberger concluded that diet was the crucial factor. The consensus remained wedded to the germ theory. Goldberger demonstrated that he could induce the disease through diet. He demonstrated that the disease was not infectious by injecting the blood of a pellagra patient into himself, and his assistant. They and other volunteers swabbed their noses with swabs from pellagra patients, and swallowed capsules containing scabs from pellagra rashes in what were called “Goldberger’s filth parties.” Nobody contracted pellagra. The consensus continued to disagree with him. There was, in addition, a social factor-southern States disliked the idea of poor diet as the cause, because it meant that social reform was required. They continued to deny it until the 1920s. Result-despite a twentieth century epidemic, the consensus took years to see the light.

Probably every schoolchild notices that South America and Africa seem to fit together rather snugly, and Alfred Wegener proposed, in 1912, that the continents had in fact drifted apart. The consensus sneered at continental drift for fifty years. The theory was most vigorously denied by the great names of geology-until 1961, when it began to seem as if the sea floors were spreading. The result: it took the consensus fifty years to acknowledge what any schoolchild sees.

And shall we go on? The examples can be multiplied endlessly. Jenner and smallpox, Pasteur and germ theory. Saccharine, margarine, repressed memory, fiber and colon cancer, hormone replacement therapy…the list of consensus errors goes on and on.

Finally, I would remind you to notice where the claim of consensus is invoked. Consensus is invoked only in situations where the science is not solid enough. Nobody says the consensus of scientists agrees that E=mc2. Nobody says the consensus is that the sun is 93 million miles away. It would never occur to anyone to speak that way.

There are many more, I refer you to the Michelson-Morley Experiment and the great quantum physicists of the 20th century namely Albert Einstein, Niels Bohr, Erwin Schrödinger, Wolfgang Pauli and Max Planck. Every single one of those men had to fight the consensus view prevailing at the time.

 
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I don't have to, as I am not a paleoclimatologist. So I will refer to one who chooses to question the "consensus", namely George Kukla, 77, retired professor of paleoclimatology at Columbia University and researcher at the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory

http://www.helium.com/items/2125333-prepare-for-new-ice-age-now-says-top-paleoclimatologist

Again, a fascinating read, yet completely at odds with the first link. Which one is it that you choose to believe?
 
Here are a few examples where the consensus was wrong.

In chemistry, for almost a century until 2001, everyone was taught that bond rotation energy barrier around C-C bonds was due to steric hindrance between hydrogens, which is why staggered conformations are preferred over eclipsed. Turned out though that steric factors had no effect, it was hyper-conjugation.

Another example from the pen of Michael Crichton.



There are many more, I refer you to the Michelson-Morley Experiment and the great quantum physicists of the 20th century namely Albert Einstein, Niels Bohr, Erwin Schrödinger, Wolfgang Pauli and Max Planck. Every single one of those men had to fight the consensus view prevailing at the time.


I am well aware of the pitfalls of consensus.
 
Its a lie.......upheld with cherry picked data and erroneous conclusions and ignoring any and all data that conflicts with the desired outcome.

STFU Blabo; even if you are right, it is just because your odds were 50/50.
 
In Antarctica alone, the earlier studies were confirmed: temperatures there increased before carbon dioxide rose. But globally, a rising amount of carbon dioxide in the air preceded temperature change, according to this new report.


CO2 is supposedly well-mixed. The study doesn't explain how temps lead in antartica and why the well mixed CO2, which should have warmed first, failed to do so. Who falls for this crap?
 
In Antarctica alone, the earlier studies were confirmed: temperatures there increased before carbon dioxide rose. But globally, a rising amount of carbon dioxide in the air preceded temperature change, according to this new report.


CO2 is supposedly well-mixed. The study doesn't explain how temps lead in antartica and why the well mixed CO2, which should have warmed first, failed to do so. Who falls for this crap?

They reported their findings. Not explaining the findings to your satifaction in no way indicts their findings.
 
A reply to Shakun et al – Dr. Munchausen Explains Science By Proxy
by Willis Eschenbach

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/06/a-reply-shakun-et-al-dr-munchausen-explains-science-by-proxy/

I know you won't read it, and I know you really don't understand statistics, so enjoy your religion. You can believe whatever you want. I'd love to see you paraphrase the logic and methodology behind the assertion that CO2 leads warming.

I've explained my position and shown links to NOAA to prove it.
Ocean temps control CO2 concentration. Humans have released about 6% to the system. The forcing of CO2 does not drive climate. It's an effect of climate. Anthropogenic CO2 forcing is miniscule.
 
A reply to Shakun et al – Dr. Munchausen Explains Science By Proxy
by Willis Eschenbach

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/06/a-reply-shakun-et-al-dr-munchausen-explains-science-by-proxy/

I know you won't read it, and I know you really don't understand statistics, so enjoy your religion. You can believe whatever you want. I'd love to see you paraphrase the logic and methodology behind the assertion that CO2 leads warming.

I've explained my position and shown links to NOAA to prove it.
Ocean temps control CO2 concentration. Humans have released about 6% to the system. The forcing of CO2 does not drive climate. It's an effect of climate. Anthropogenic CO2 forcing is miniscule.

Fucking scientists :palm: If x is ten then y must be 100. Sorry, not true. I have seen this all my life, since I started paying attention.
Your presentation is quite wonderful for those that do not question it.
Do you deny micro climates? What the fuck is wrong with you?
 
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