Increase in the number of Syrians returning to their country

Darth Omar said:
Yup.

If Syrians want to live under a dictator, why is that our problem? We should be encouraging them to return.

The evidence of Trump's policy was pointed out in my prior post. Our CIA had no business supporting the rebels because we have no business doing regime change in Syria---even if it's by proxy.
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Yea, there's that, but I was speaking lack of policy in the campaign to set up safe zones in the meantime, recruiting Saudi Arabia for finances, etc.

I have often pondered the truth that millions of people allow themselves to have to live under a dictator to only mean it is not so bad a thing, to them.
There must be some sort of solace in the rule of law that comes with it, or the embedded thought that the alternative may be worse.
Culturally maybe it is better for them. As long as you know the rules and live within them you can still raise your children, worship in private, watch the sun rise and set in relative peace.
Uprisings to overthrow these regimes always result in death and destruction for decades, and even worse players rising from the chaos it seems.
 
There's an epic battle underway led by the Syrian Army & Russia to finish ISIS in Syria's Deir Ezzor. And MSM is somewhere off in the clouds @sarahouraxo
 
Main Stream media doesn't care right now, their focus is on tearing Trump down at whatever means necessary.

Funny how suddenly the war on terror is of no interest to their viewers,
Russians, obstructionism, and creating the illusion of confusion in the WH is all they care about right now.
 
Getin the ring said:
Yea, there's that, but I was speaking lack of policy in the campaign to set up safe zones in the meantime, recruiting Saudi Arabia for finances, etc.

I have often pondered the truth that millions of people allow themselves to have to live under a dictator to only mean it is not so bad a thing, to them.
There must be some sort of solace in the rule of law that comes with it, or the embedded thought that the alternative may be worse.
Culturally maybe it is better for them. As long as you know the rules and live within them you can still raise your children, worship in private, watch the sun rise and set in relative peace.
Uprisings to overthrow these regimes always result in death and destruction for decades, and even worse players rising from the chaos it seems.
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Yup.

Some call it the Middle East Two-Step.
 
Getin the ring said:
Main Stream media doesn't care right now, their focus is on tearing Trump down at whatever means necessary.

Funny how suddenly the war on terror is of no interest to their viewers,
Russians, obstructionism, and creating the illusion of confusion in the WH is all they care about right now.
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Trump promised to crush ISIS---and ISIS is being crushed.

If Russia is doing some of the heavy lifting, all the better.
 
anatta said:
The International Organisation for Migration (IOM) announced on Wednesday that the number of Syrians returning to their homes has increased, despite the sustained condition of war in the country. However, six million people remain displaced internally, while a further five million remain displaced abroad as refugees.

The IOM reported that in the first half of this year, 600,000 Syrians returned to their homes across the country. 84% of these were registered as internally displaced, while the other 16% came back from other countries, most prominently Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq, which together host the majority of Syrians displaced abroad.

Of the 600,000, two-thirds returned to Aleppo, after the Syrian Regime retook the entirety of the city at the end of 2016, which had remained split between regime and rebel control since 2012 and the source of much violence over the past four years.

A further 27,000 people returned to Idlib, 40,000 to Hama, while 27,000 to Damascus, whose east suburb of East Ghouta constantly witnesses fierce clashes between regime forces and rebel groups, including most prominently Faylaq al-Rahman.

Those returning to their homes gave differing reasons as to the exact nature of their return. 27% of the returning Syrians revealed that they came back home to protect their properties, 25% indicated that the economic situation improved in their area of origin, while a further 14% attributed the reason for their return to the worsening economic situation in their place of refuge.

For some, including one Syrian refugee interviewed by al-Ghad, this final reason – in conjunction with better security in the country – was enough to force them back. “We did not expect Europe to treat us this way,” said one refugee. “We expected to be treated humanely.”
https://alshahidwitness.com/syrians-return-home-war-conflict/
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I actually saw a makeshift refugee shelter in Leipzig.
It looked like a prison, the refugees were hardly ever seen on the streets, they had no money, nothing to keep them there.
As an American who lived in right wing Bavaria for three years I can tell you it'd be almost impossible for those Syrians to ever assimilate.
A lot of those people looked down on me. I was once even asked to leave a bar in Kitzingen when the bartender detected my American accent. He made no secret that Americans weren't welcome in his bar.
 
noise said:
battlefield autonomy for the commanders on the ground has worked wonders

house to house fighting in Mosul and Raqqa will do that
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Yeah - you've already made it pretty clear that you don't really care about people's lives w/ your dismissive comments about the escalation in Afghanistan.
 
Thing1 said:
Yeah - you've already made it pretty clear that you don't really care about people's lives w/ your dismissive comments about the escalation in Afghanistan.
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that's the most retarded and baseless idea you've posted yet.

You haven't a fraking clue about what the Afghan battlefield calls for, and it's not "escalation" when you are only adding 4k to existing roles.
we need to be there to help the ANAF -they depend on our air support and training for unit cohesion
They have been taking heavy casualties and losing ground because we stripped out too many US troops.

How about where we added special forces to Syria? were you Ok with those to go after ISIS?
Is ISIS in Afghan? Is al-Qaeda also?
what do you think would happen if Afghan went back to a full terrorist state?
Did you see what happened to Libya ?

More sanctimonious bullshit -it's what you do best.
 
noise said:
that's the most retarded and baseless idea you've posted yet.

You haven't a fraking clue about what the Afghan battlefield calls for, and it's not "escalation" when you are only adding 4k. we need to be there to help the ANAF -they depend on our air support and training for unit cohesion.

How about where we added special forces to Syria? were you Ok with those to go after ISIS?
Is ISIS in Afghan? Is al-Qaeda also?
what do you think would happen if Afghan went back to a full terrorist state?
Did you see what happened to Libya ?

More sanctimonious bullshit -it's what you do best.
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It isn't sanctimonious. I just value lives.
 
Thing1 said:
It isn't sanctimonious. I just value lives.
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then you damn side better understand what happened in Afghan when the troop levels were too low.
You can't put units in the field if they are not sufficiently supported by each other.

While a lot of US casualties were "green on blue" the dirty secret is isolating Americans too far from each other leaves them in a security risk situation -dependent on the ANAF instead.
I am not willing to let US lives be out there unable to protect each other- muchless not accomplish their missions
 
Thing1 said:
How am I appealing to emotion?

I don't want American or other innocent lives lost.
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Tens of thousands of innocent lives were taken by ISIS under the last administration, and due to the last administration's policies.

Let's go over the ways they did it: crucifixions, the more mundane beheadings, burning people alive, murdering children in front of their parents, murdering parents in front of their children, raping women by the thousands if not tens of thousands.

And you want to do the death count thing with Trump---when he's trying to put a stop to it.

Why should anyone take you seriously.
 
Darth Omar said:
Tens of thousands of innocent lives were taken by ISIS under the last administration, and due to the last administration's policies.

Let's go over the ways they did it: crucifixions, the more mundane beheadings, burning people alive, murdering children in front of their parents, murdering parents in front of their children, raping women by the thousands if not tens of thousands.

And you want to do the death count thing with Trump---when he's trying to put a stop to it.

Why should anyone take you seriously.
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ISIS was decimated under Obama. They lost over 40% of their territory, and tens of thousands of fighters. I doubt you had even one post giving him credit for that.

Trump could nuke the whole area, right? Would you complain about civilian casualties then?

See, that's the trick - fighting ISIS and eliminating them, and also protecting the civilian population. I guess to you, that's just a silly "death count thing."
 
Thing1 said:
ISIS was decimated under Obama. They lost over 40% of their territory, and tens of thousands of fighters. I doubt you had even one post giving him credit for that.

Trump could nuke the whole area, right? Would you complain about civilian casualties then?

See, that's the trick - fighting ISIS and eliminating them, and also protecting the civilian population. I guess to you, that's just a silly "death count thing."
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It's practically pointless to engage you on this subject because you won't credit Obama for allowing ISIS to up their caliphate in Iraq.

It was under Obama's policy [actually, a lack of one] that much of ISIS's atrocities occurred. Period.
 
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