In blow to freedom, Democrats in Michigan repeal Right-to-work

NiftyNiblick said:
While the anti-union conservatives on this forum have, for the most part, done little more that type ludicrous posts as they ejaculate all over their laptops and phones,

I have actually worked vary hard on behalf of organized labor for decades of my life.

I earned my right to disrespect these anti-labor slugs like the vile, perverted, diseased, and repugnant devolved mutants that they have to be.
given their repulsive disrespect for the working class into which they themselves were born and have lived.

From where the fuck do such deplorable cretins and troglodytes emerge?
What sort of depraved perverts brought them up? What kind of society tolerates them, even minimally?
Why do they play limbo stick while decent people are trying to scale the bar?

If we need any undeniable proof that this existence is nothing more than the random confluence of matter, these despicable scabs provide it spectacularly.
There is no benign deity that would imagine them, much less create them. This is obvious to any minimally sane person.
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Okay, I'll bite:

If I were in the union you were in, what exactly would that union do for me? How much of my paycheck would I have to fork over in dues?

I asked that question, and got no response. Seems my union rep, hates me questioning the union... Is there any better reason that me as a worker should tell the union to fuck off when it comes to membership than that?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Okay, I'll bite:

If I were in the union you were in, what exactly would that union do for me? How much of my paycheck would I have to fork over in dues?
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Negotiated contractual conditions of employment,
access to arbitration over any grievances not solved internally,
matching contributions to savings,
negotiated and guaranteed pension for life of self or spouse,
fully paid health insurance for self and family while working and payment of Medicare supplemental after retirement for self and spouse,
company paid legal fees to write a will,
company paid community college courses for anything that could remotely be tied to work [basically anything],
company funded discounts on things like cell phone service, internet, and such,
three years severance pay upon separation [on top of pension--that was a big one],
$5000 for a new personal computer upon retiring [because back then, some people had a lot of personal stuff on their work computers],
little stuff like full pay while called away on jury duty,
and more.

And the dues were so reasonable that I can't even remember what they were.

Is that enough?
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Negotiated contractual conditions of employment,
access to arbitration over any grievances not solved internally,
matching contributions to savings,
negotiated and guaranteed pension for life of self or spouse,
fully paid health insurance for self and family while working and payment of Medicare supplemental after retirement for self and spouse,
company paid legal fees to write a will,
company paid community college courses for anything that could remotely be tied to work [basically anything],
company funded discounts on things like cell phone service, internet, and such,
three years severance pay upon separation [on top of pension--that was a big one],
$5000 for a new personal computer upon retiring [because back then, some people had a lot of personal stuff on their work computers],
little stuff like full pay while called away on jury duty,
and more.

And the dues were so reasonable that I can't even remember what they were.

Is that enough?
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You can show up drunk first day of work and not get fired. Plus management has to pay the taxi fare for you to get back to the union hall.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Negotiated contractual conditions of employment, Irrelevant to me. That could be positive or negative
access to arbitration over any grievances not solved internally,If there were a problem with management and me, my bet is a good lawyer or six would do more for me than untrained union hacks.
matching contributions to savings, Many companies do this regardless of whether there's a union so there's no clear advantage there
negotiated and guaranteed pension for life of self or spouse, Same as above. Today most companies do a 401K without a pension.
fully paid health insurance for self and family while working and payment of Medicare supplemental after retirement for self and spouse, Another case of same as above. Many companies without unions offer this. Aside from that, I get Tricare coverage in any case.
company paid legal fees to write a will, I get that service through the military, but that's hardly a big incentive given that writing one is very infrequent and low cost if you go through a lawyer.
company paid community college courses for anything that could remotely be tied to work [basically anything],I already have degrees, what about paying for Master's and PhD work?
company funded discounts on things like cell phone service, internet, and such, I probably get equal ones for being a veteran, or other things.
three years severance pay upon separation [on top of pension--that was a big one], Is this like if the company fires you or something?
$5000 for a new personal computer upon retiring [because back then, some people had a lot of personal stuff on their work computers],A one-time deal over decades...
little stuff like full pay while called away on jury duty,Pretty minor if you ask me
and more.

And the dues were so reasonable that I can't even remember what they were.

Is that enough?
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My questions back:

What's the union going to do to help me get promoted and advance within the company, including into non-union management positions?
Will the union refrain from spending my dues ENTIRELY on politics and politicians, particularly ones I despise?
Is the union going to limit my ability to work outside of my union job?
 
archives said:
Good, it was a stupid law designed solely to crush Unions

Ain’t about freedom, you have the freedom to reject the job if you don’t want to pay dues, got nothing to do with freedom
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Which is why my son took a job with FedEx as an aircraft mechanic. Says it’s the last place he’ll ever work.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
While the anti-union conservatives on this forum have, for the most part, done little more that type ludicrous posts as they ejaculate all over their laptops and phones,

I have actually worked vary hard on behalf of organized labor for decades of my life.

I earned my right to disrespect these anti-labor slugs like the vile, perverted, diseased, and repugnant devolved mutants that they have to be.
given their repulsive disrespect for the working class into which they themselves were born and have lived.

From where the fuck do such deplorable cretins and troglodytes emerge?
What sort of depraved perverts brought them up? What kind of society tolerates them, even minimally?
Why do they play limbo stick while decent people are trying to scale the bar?

If we need any undeniable proof that this existence is nothing more than the random confluence of matter, these despicable scabs provide it spectacularly.
There is no benign deity that would imagine them, much less create them. This is obvious to any minimally sane person.
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if you were really for the working class you would understand the vileness of globalist fanaticism.

if you ever were with the workers, you have sold out now.
 
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Nor should you ever be allowed to work in an organized facility or even industry if you don't wish to join.
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people as stupid as this should never be allowed to work anywhere.......
 
In fact, all the benefits that we get are due to unions fighting companies for them They include paid vacations, sick days, healthcare, safer working conditions, and paid holidays among others. They gave them to non-union employees to keep them from organizing or leaving for a job that does. You all benefit from the unions you have been taught to hate.
 
JesusAI said:
if you were really for the working class you would understand the vileness of globalist fanaticism.

if you ever were with the workers, you have sold out now.
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You mean the Capitalists, Fredo, or the Jews? Which is it?

Are you a corporate lackey and don't know it, Fredo? A patsy for the fat cats? LOL
 
Simple, who do you want to have a voice in the wages that people are getting, just business with the right to work or having to sit down with business and labor and come up with a mutual decided wage. Right to work , is the right for business to fuck over their workers , it's like deregulation , that gives business the right to eat our children for the sake of their bottom line. How stupid can people get.
 
jbander said:
Simple, who do you want to have a voice in the wages that people are getting, just business with the right to work or having to sit down with business and labor and come up with a mutual decided wage. Right to work , is the right for business to fuck over their workers , it's like deregulation , that gives business the right to eat our children for the sake of their bottom line. How stupid can people get.
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unions get lazy and sold out when membership is mandatory.

there needs to be competition between unions.
 
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