In blow to freedom, Democrats in Michigan repeal Right-to-work

ExpressLane said:
I'm surprised that you would think Jimmy Hoffa and his coworkers were thugs. :shocked:
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Recently watched The Irishman on Netflix . Great movie with a lot of historical reference about the Teamsters.
Shit they were corrupt as hell!
I had to rewatch the first 30 minutes before moving on because I figured it would be one those slow to develop movies and I didn’t pay close enough attention.
But even now I can see the Teamsters have no standards whatsoever, only to keep their members employed regardless of lack of quality.
Makes sense though. The more members they have the more they extract for organized criminal activity.
 
Nordberg said:
Unions are created by bad businesses. The fact is owners will maximize profits at the expense of employees. They will and have since industry started, abused employees and cheated them. One employee cannot stand up to a company. You are replaceable. All the employees walking out teaches them who makes their profits.
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I took a lot of CE on managing employees plus hired a consultant early in my career. They used a lot of principles that are used in the corporate world. In well run businesses that hire and treat good employees right there is no need for unions.
I was taught the value of incentivizing and rewarding good employees. The cost of good ones quitting is enormous. It's just plain stupid to treat a good employee bad. Plus have a well written employee manual so new hires know exactly what is expected of them.
Any time one of my staff would complain unreasonably I'd refer them to the employee manual and let them know in no uncertain terms that if they couldn't do the job I hired them for , I'd find someone who could. After about my first year in business not one quit me.
Case in point, there's a dentist in town that's notorious for treating his staff like shit. Constant turnover. He has such a bad reputation he has to advertise for staff in Seattle! - and pay for them just to fly up for an interview plus pay them a bonus just to start. They typically stay just long enough to not lose their bonus.
I never had a problem poaching employees from assholes like that.
Nordberg said:
The Triangle shirt company disaster sparked unions in America. They had lots of young girls making shirts and they chained the doors to make sure they did not step out for a break. Then a fire started killing many. https://www.history.com/topics/early-20th-century-us/triangle-shirtwaist-fire
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And that was long before there were the labor laws we have now making unions less relevant.
My grandfather came to America and was a coal miner. He mined in Pa. and then Colorado. The miners were being horribly mistreated. When they started a union the company hired goons to beat them and shoot them. The union organizers were in a church for a meeting. The doors were barred and the building was set on fire.
In Detroit, Ford motor created a mafia type police force to "keep organizers in line'. They were beaten and killed. The workers had to battle for decent treatment.
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Again, ancient history since the advent of labor laws. Now it's the unions that more resemble the mafia. Just look at Nifty's recent posts. Typical union thug.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Michigan Democrats just repealed laws on Right-to-work in Michigan that are now over a decade old. They pandered to the unions and took away worker rights to not be in a union if they chose not to be.

Michigan Democrats move quickly to repeal right-to-work
https://apnews.com/article/right-to-work-michigan-repeal-df5520a3f7c3f497e8aac7bd729f3569

Democrats fucking over workers... How usual...
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Right to work isn't for the worker, it's for at will firings by the employer...they don't have to explain why they're firing you, what reason, or anything.

So it's not "freedom" for the worker.
 
anonymoose said:
^ Perfect example of why union people are referred to as thugs by the general population. Because most are. Basically violent domestic terrorists much like antifa or BLM.
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A load of crap, of course, since union membership in this country is near just 12%.
 
ExpressLane said:
If unions are so great then no coercion to join a union would be necessary. Like I said Unions are like religion. If either are good people would naturally want to join.
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You said wrong. There are people like you who would not join. You would get all the benefits and not pay. There is no coercion. If you stay in your job, you will get protected. Workers do not start unions. Bad managers and owners do.
 
The Labor-Busting Law Firms and Consultants That Keep Big Businesses Union-Free

American companies have been very successful at preventing their workers from organizing into unions in recent decades, one of the reasons unionization in the private sector is at a record low.

What you may not realize is that a handful of little-known law and consulting firms do much of the dirty work that keeps companies and other organizations union-free.

IKEA, for example, turned to Ogletree Deakins, one of the largest law firms that specialize in so-called union avoidance activities, to help it crush unionization efforts in Stoughton, Massachusetts, in 2016. Google hired IRI Consultants, a firm known for its anti-union activities, for advice on how to deal with growing worker unrest. And just this summer, two liberal-leaning organizations—the Scholars Strategy Network and ACLU Kansas—recruited the services of Ogletree when their employees tried to form unions.

I’ve been studying these firms for two decades and have chronicled the key roles they have played in undermining an American worker’s federally protected right to organize. Their tactics, abetted by weak labor laws, have turned what should be a worker-driven process into essentially a choice being made by companies.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-l...nsultants-that-keep-big-businesses-union-free


Confessions of a Union Buster



A former union buster exposes the dirty tricks that elevated him to the top of his profession and that have transformed the war on organized labor into a billion-dollars-per-year industry. This book is the story of a man who has decided to come in out of the cold, to clear his conscience, and to share the hard lessons he has learned.


https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/1154842
 
LV426 said:
Right to work isn't for the worker, it's for at will firings by the employer...they don't have to explain why they're firing you, what reason, or anything.

So it's not "freedom" for the worker.
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It is. If you are forced to join the union, and the union rules are you can't work any job that isn't union including side work for yourself, then the union is screwing its members. Or, if the union goes by seniority and there are less jobs than members, you could find yourself out of work and unable to work outside the union in lieu of a union job. Again, you get screwed by the union.

This cuts both ways, so don't blame one side without blaming the other.
 
ExpressLane said:
If unions are so great then no coercion to join a union would be necessary. Like I said Unions are like religion. If either are good people would naturally want to join.
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When the Supreme Court struck down compulsory union membership/dues for public employees the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees lost 70,000 members and the Service Employees International lost 55,000.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It is. If you are forced to join the union, and the union rules are you can't work any job that isn't union including side work for yourself, then the union is screwing its members. Or, if the union goes by seniority and there are less jobs than members, you could find yourself out of work and unable to work outside the union in lieu of a union job. Again, you get screwed by the union.

This cuts both ways, so don't blame one side without blaming the other.
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In those states that prohibit strikes or collective bargaining for public employees many employees do not see any benefits from the union membership (example, teachers). Many of those employees quit the union after the Janus case.
 
anonymoose said:
I took a lot of CE on managing employees plus hired a consultant early in my career. They used a lot of principles that are used in the corporate world. In well run businesses that hire and treat good employees right there is no need for unions.
I was taught the value of incentivizing and rewarding good employees. The cost of good ones quitting is enormous. It's just plain stupid to treat a good employee bad. Plus have a well written employee manual so new hires know exactly what is expected of them.
Any time one of my staff would complain unreasonably I'd refer them to the employee manual and let them know in no uncertain terms that if they couldn't do the job I hired them for , I'd find someone who could. After about my first year in business not one quit me.
Case in point, there's a dentist in town that's notorious for treating his staff like shit. Constant turnover. He has such a bad reputation he has to advertise for staff in Seattle! - and pay for them just to fly up for an interview plus pay them a bonus just to start. They typically stay just long enough to not lose their bonus.
I never had a problem poaching employees from assholes like that. And that was long before there were the labor laws we have now making unions less relevant.
Again, ancient history since the advent of labor laws. Now it's the unions that more resemble the mafia. Just look at Nifty's recent posts. Typical union thug.
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Flash said:
When the Supreme Court struck down compulsory union membership/dues for public employees the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees lost 70,000 members and the Service Employees International lost 55,000.
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If unions are a great deal why did these employees leave.
 
Nordberg said:
You said wrong. There are people like you who would not join. You would get all the benefits and not pay. There is no coercion. If you stay in your job, you will get protected. Workers do not start unions. Bad managers and owners do.
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Not in union shop states.
 
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guno said:
A day in the life of Joe Republican

Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of coffee, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised.

All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joes employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union.

If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

Its noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.

He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.

Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day.

Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."
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The Road to Perdition Is Patrician


New Deal Democrats did all that, not today's White-hating degenerate snobs who took over the Party when preppy-prettyboy JFK got elected. Ronald Reagan was a New Deal Democrat. He left the Party when he saw all its good ideas getting perverted into extremist evil.

Hereditary power is the root of all evil. Until the heirs' unearned wealth is confiscated, whether they are Liberal or Conservative, we will continue racing to the bottom.
 
serendipity said:
It won't matter soon anyway, AI will kill off union jobs big-time.
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Smug Suitcoats


It's just as likely to kill off the Diploma Dumbos' white-collar jobs. Today's graduates only "know how to" do a job, but that's no different from the fact that most American boys "know how to" play baseball but can't even make their high-school teams.

Besides, new technology has been changing the workplace for hundreds of years and has created more jobs than it's killed off.
 
Nordberg said:
You said wrong. There are people like you who would not join. You would get all the benefits and not pay. There is no coercion. If you stay in your job, you will get protected. Workers do not start unions. Bad managers and owners do.
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My dad worked for DuPont in Orange Texas it was not unionized. DuPont in Beaumont Texas about 30 miles from Orange was unionized. DuPont in Orange had multiple votes on Unionization it never Unionized. The workers at the Orange Dupont have always made more money than the workers at the Dupont plant.
 
floridafan said:
and let another employer fuck me over without union representation and protection.
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When an Economic Bully Says "My Way or the Highway," That Means His Way Is the Low Way


Notice how one-sided that corpie meme is. By the same reasoning, we should tell the boss to quit and go run a business where he can hire wimps who'll let him treat them like disposable office supplies.
 
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