impotent old man threatens NKorea if they make threats~unlike the 1,000's in the past

Corazón said:
So this all about Trump, even to the extent where you are implying that Kimmy is more rational!!

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I don't think either is rational, unlike you who supports Trump.
 
Assuming he is sane, or at least a sociopathic rational actor, Kim Jong Un's conduct is consistent with a three part strategy. The main strategy, Part 1, is to get across the troll bridge to a nuclear weapon arsenal that provides NK with a credible deterrent. Part 2 is to lie convincingly during this long trip across the bridge to prevent a preemptive strike during the dangerous period where he knows he is not invincible. Part 3 is to exact concessions diplomatically along the way by boasting at each advancement along the troll bridge to goal one, all the time not complying with anything he may promise. It appears that thus far part 3 is a fail, because all he has gotten is sanction upon sanction. But if he can survive to Part 1, he can survive in perpetuity. I am assuming that his actions and words are for global consumption, not just propaganda for his own people. For the greater end of part one, I would expect that he is willing to make his poor people endure any hardship no matter what.

I really see no path for the US other that win a war against him, or simply acquiesce in NK having nuclear weapons. A rational sociopath would do anything to get the weapons that does not hurt him personally. He is not paying any price for any sanctions.
 
Covfefe said:
I don't think either is rational, unlike you who supports Trump.
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Oh man, seemingly you have to say the same thing a million times before it percolates into your​ skull. There were two choices on offer, more of the same with the HillBillies, or maybe something different. I'm pretty sure that they would have already started their first war by now. If your truly awful system can only come up with such execrable candidates shouldn't you be asking some basic questions? I mean holy shit Ma Clinton spent over a billion dollars and still couldn't beat the 'joke candidate' He's your president like it or not and will be for the foreseeable future.
 
Getin the ring said:
aLL TRUE. except I do not take trump as being right because he is Trump.

In this case however there is no other choice, IMO.

Kim Jung is just crazy enough to launch a nuke, if he has the capability. I say that because he does not answer to anyone, it's his candy store, he has that much power.

Choices are very limited on this issue for Trump. I don't necessarily believe or I should say I find it hard to believe that Kim Jong has the capability of arming a ballistic missile with a nuke warhead.
But like you said, what do we know, we are relying on what they tell us.

I hope to God they verify that he can, and if they do I have no problem given what I know of Kim Jong believing that he might.

And given all of that should we not be pre-emptive?
it's a horrible thought, I don't want to
A. randomly bomb his sites, his capabilities if you will.
but I also don't want to have to
B. Have to react to a launch either.

I think, as Trump obviously does that the former is a better option of the two.

Diplomacy is not going to work here, nor are sanctions. And China is basically saying they have done all they can.
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You're missing something.

It's almost a given that someone in NK has the wherewithal to take Kim out in a coup. Most likely a general that controls some aspect of the military. I'm sure personal risk is the biggest problem.

Unlike Kim, they are without question, sane.

And they are hearing Trump's fire and brimstone rhetoric. Trump could quite possibly force their hand. An internal coup in NK would be the best possible outcome.

And it's entirely possible.
 
Darth Omar said:
You're missing something.

It's almost a given that someone in NK has the wherewithal to take Kim out in a coup. Most likely a general that controls some aspect of the military. I'm sure personal risk is the biggest problem.

And unlike Kim, they are without question, sane.

And they are hearing Trump's fire and brimstone rhetoric. Trump could quite possibly force their hand. An internal coup in NK would be the best possible outcome.

And it's entirely possible.
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This man gets it.
 
Darth Omar said:
You're missing something.

It's almost a given that someone in NK has the wherewithal to take Kim out in a coup. Most likely a general that controls some aspect of the military. I'm sure personal risk is the biggest problem.

Unlike Kim, they are without question, sane.

And they are hearing Trump's fire and brimstone rhetoric. Trump could quite possibly force their hand. An internal coup in NK would be the best possible outcome.

And it's entirely possible.
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The plane! The plane!
 
Corazón said:
Oh man, seemingly you have to say the same thing a million times before it percolates in your​ skull. There were two choices on offer, more of the same with the HillBillies, or maybe something different. I'm pretty sure that they would have already started their first war by now. If your truly awful system can only come up with such execrable candidates shouldn't you be asking some basic questions? I mean holy shit Ma Clinton spent over a billion dollars and still couldn't beat the 'joke candidate' He's your president like it or not and will be for the foreseeable future.
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He is the President, but I don't support him or his policies, thus far.

On the other hand, you are a foreigner and your country is a mess, yet, here you are complaining about ours.

Go clean up your own back yard, at least I am making an effort to clean up ours.
 
Darth Omar said:
You're missing something.

It's almost a given that someone in NK has the wherewithal to take Kim out in a coup. Most likely a general that controls some aspect of the military. I'm sure personal risk is the biggest problem.

Unlike Kim, they are without question, sane.

And they are hearing Trump's fire and brimstone rhetoric. Trump could quite possibly force their hand. An internal coup in NK would be the best possible outcome.

And it's entirely possible.
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It is more than likely, why do you think he's purged so many including his uncle and half brother?
 
interesting opinions..I suppose it boils down to hope he's rational,but prepare for if he's not.
Once he gets a delivery system -which looks increasingly probable -then you have to choose..
 
Covfefe said:
He is the President, but I don't support him or his policies, thus far.

On the other hand, you are a foreigner and your country is a mess, yet, here you are complaining about ours.

Go clean up your own back yard, at least I am making an effort to clean up ours.
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Oh fuck off with that tired old crap. Do you think that we don't have an interest in events in that part of the world?? My daughter in law is from Vietnam, in fact she is there right now for three weeks, do you think the Vietnamese have no legitimate interest in what's going on? What the fuck do you care for anyway, it won't affect you in Texas?
 
Getin the ring said:
more than sound, well reasoned.

Either Kim Jong hears him or he doesn't. What's there to second guess,
Kim Jong threatened our country, it has almost been 100% verified that he has the actual capabil;ity to carry out that threat,
we warned him. And now comes the fire and fury.

What part of this are you having trouble with, it's in English, there's no double talk, Obama like confusion.
Sounds pretty clear to most of us.
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In the next two weeks, right?
 
Corazón said:
It is more than likely, why do you think he's purged so many including his uncle and half brother?
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He purged them because dictators are under constant threat of a coup. In fact, as young as Kim is, dying of old age is a slim prospect. I don't know how he manages to sleep at night.

Kim doesn't personally pull the triggers---his generals do. Will they pull the trigger knowing they are going to die with Kim if they do? Or will they risk taking Kim out in order to live another day?

Trump's rhetoric forces them to think about that. Whether they act on it is another story.

Bottom line is diplomacy and sanctions won't have the same effect.
 
Corazón said:
Oh man, seemingly you have to say the same thing a million times before it percolates into your​ skull. There were two choices on offer, more of the same with the HillBillies, or maybe something different. I'm pretty sure that they would have already started their first war by now. If your truly awful system can only come up with such execrable candidates shouldn't you be asking some basic questions? I mean holy shit Ma Clinton spent over a billion dollars and still couldn't beat the 'joke candidate' He's your president like it or not and will be for the foreseeable future.
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He is yours to. If only the world could vote, no way Trump beats Hillary. The world should be able to vote for the US president. As long as we are the big military kid on the block, I'd be pissed if I were overseas and had no say. But of course you are our favorite son so believe yourselves to be in an exalted position vis a vis the big daddy, and you are.
 
Covfefe said:
He is the President, but I don't support him or his policies, thus far.

On the other hand, you are a foreigner and your country is a mess, yet, here you are complaining about ours.

Go clean up your own back yard, at least I am making an effort to clean up ours.
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Our country is far from being in a mess, once we leave the EU we will flourish. Indeed we may be the first of many; Poland, Ireland, Austria and Hungary may well follow us.
 
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