I'm not liking this at all........

goat said:
Forcing our grandkids to fight WW3 is a bad idea.
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First the military is optional. Second there won't be a world war 3 over this because sadly no one had the balls to start it. We've lived too long under a peace where too few people had to fight to secure it. The bad actors of the world still exist. They haven't gone away they've just changed. Make no mistake radical islam is a very bad actor.
 
Yakuda said:
First the military is optional. Second there won't be a world war 3 over this because sadly no one had the balls to start it. We've lived too long under a peace where too few people had to fight to secure it. The bad actors of the world still exist. They haven't gone away they've just changed. Make no mistake radical islam is a very bad actor.
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Only a MAGA moron thinks starting a nuclear apocalypse requires "balls". :ROFLMAO: :rofl2: :ROFLMAO:

It's proof all MAGAts are lonely old men who don't give a shit if their descendants and other relatives die a slow death from radiation poisoning.
 
Stone said:
But not for the reasons some may think. Fact is,....I don't want to see Iran wiped out, not in the way what looks like is coming. I wouldn't wish that on ANYONE. I don't think Trump is screwing around this time,....I think he means what he says. Hopefully Iran comes to its senses and submits so that this doesn't have to take place. Because if they don't its going to be real bad for them. Like suffering on a grand scale bad for them. Lets all hope and pray that the Iranian leadership comes to its senses and does the right thing so the world can get on with the work of making things better. This is Irans Hiroshima moment...........don't makes the same mistakes as Japan did.
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lol you thought trump wouldnt TACO. Trump has already bowed down to lick the boots of the ayatollah.
 
Yakuda said:
First the military is optional. Second there won't be a world war 3 over this because sadly no one had the balls to start it. We've lived too long under a peace where too few people had to fight to secure it. The bad actors of the world still exist. They haven't gone away they've just changed. Make no mistake radical islam is a very bad actor.
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Anyone who bombs a girl school is a bad actor and needs to be prosecuted.
 
goat said:
Forcing our grandkids to fight WW3 is a bad idea.
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and doing so on the back of back breaking debt, the bulk of which is a gift from republican administrations put in on good times, the opposite of what should be done, when instead, like Bill Clinton, it should be paid down.

if Neocon magats continue to trigger wars while pushing the country deeper and deeper into debt it truly is a recipe for disaster for the coming generations as they are piling on debt while not investing in America and building any domestic capacity growth to offset it.
 
QP! said:
and doing so on the back of back breaking debt, the bulk of which is a gift from republican administrations put in on good times, the opposite of what should be done, when instead, like Bill Clinton, it should be paid down.

if Neocon magats continue to trigger wars while pushing the country deeper and deeper into debt it truly is a recipe for disaster for the coming generations as they are piling on debt while not investing in America and building any domestic capacity growth to offset it.
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I just want to say Manufacturing is done. The US has to give up on that. If youve been to Shenzen or any other manufactories in china you would know they are light years ahead of the US when it comes to manufacturing. BYD will beat Tesla GM and any other US or European Brand and if left without tariffs will kill local automobile companies

The only hope we have left to be remotely competetive in the future is AI and military tech and the democrats are standing in the way of that.

That said Trump has proven woefully incompetent and has decided to surrender to the mullahs faster than the French surrendered to the Germans in ww2 so theres not much hope for the future anyway.
 

Oil industry pleads its Hormuz case with White House​

Oil executives are citing international treaties, sanction laws and high payments in opposing Iran's plan to charge ships passing through the Strait of Hormuz.

President Donald Trump’s Iran peace plan is getting pushback from one key constituency: the oil industry.

Oil company executives are reaching out to the White House, Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Vice President JD Vance to protest allowing Iran to charge tolls through the strategic Strait of Hormuz as a condition of peace talks, said one industry consultant granted anonymity to discuss relations with the administration.

“Hell yes,” this person said when asked if executives were contacting the White House to protest a toll on Hormuz. ”We didn’t have to do that before — and I thought we won the war. Any place you have access to the administration, you ask, what are you guys thinking?”


The response administrative officials were giving industry representatives “is not a cold shoulder,” this person added. “It’s more like, ‘Yeah, OK, we’ll take note.’”

Among their points: Conceding to Iran’s request would add $2.5 million to each shipment in tolls and higher insurance rates, a cost that would be passed on to consumers. Giving Iran control of Hormuz could set precedent for countries like Singapore and Turkey to charge tolls on important trade routes on the straits of Malacca and Bosporus. And paying the toll could put companies in legal jeopardy for violating sanctions on Iranian officials...

Iran is already demanding tolls be paid in yuan or cryptocurrency for tankers that cross through the strait...

Trump on Tuesday said the United States would use Iran’s 10-point plan — which calls for it to collect a toll of $2 million per ship — as a basis for a permanent ceasefire...

Trump on Tuesday said the U.S. was “very far along with a definitive Agreement concerning Longterm PEACE with Iran, and PEACE in the Middle East,” adding “We received a 10 point proposal from Iran, and believe it is a workable basis on which to negotiate.”...

Trump, far from arguing against Iran collecting tolls, has publicly mused that the U.S. could form a “joint venture” on the operation.

“It’s an idea the president has floated,” Leavitt said in Wednesday’s press conference of Trump’s idea to share toll revenue with Iran.


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QP! said:
It is worse than that imo.

All smart smaller nations now with any strategic choke point location access can now see via this war (and Ukraine prior) that is simply makes no sense to build up big and expensive conventional military force in an attempt to 'show force' that would deter a greater power from attacking.

Instead build up massive drone capabilities, at a fraction of the cost, that can be hidden, moved and threaten and shut down down key infrastructure threatening world wide economic chaos. And make the conventional army try to shoot them all down requiring multiples more of the much more expensive munitions.

Iran could threaten the two key straits in the area, which would cause world wide economic damage far beyond just threatening one of the other individually.


Trump faces new oil shock threat as Iran eyes second strait - Bab el-Mandeb Strait

"..The strait is a critical shipping route for many global products, including electronics, clothing, furniture, household goods and food supplies like wheat, corn and coffee. It connects markets in Africa, Europe and Asia including the Middle East....

“... even to do so in a pretty small way, fire a couple missiles, fire a couple drones — then offloading tankers becomes impossible, and this goes from a 10 million barrel a day disruption to a 15 [million] to 17 million barrel a day disruption,” Brew said. Crude oil prices would quickly spike from the current levels of $90 to $100 a barrel to $150 per barrel, he said..."
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It is not our parents world anymore.
 
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