Illegal aliens are not criminals

AssHatZombie said:
Why all the fuss about deportation then? If it's so nothing it should be just fine with all involved.
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Dude, do you want the cops to just escort anybody that doesn't have their papers to the border immediately? You are fucking insane! That's beyond nAHZi.

There is no fuss about deportation once their illegal presence has been proven. You are assuming guilt of a civil violation and ignoring any likelihood of innocence. Deportation is a bit extreme for a person who has a legal right to be here (especially since the crime is merely a civil violation) and so there needs to be protections. The Arizona law attempts to circumvent those protections jeopardizing the liberty of citizens.

AssHatZombie said:
Most of your legal understanding is quit off, however.
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Okay. You have shown that by repeating your assertions over and over again? You have not shown where anything is wrong in my understanding of the law.
 
RStringfield said:
Dude, do you want the cops to just escort anybody that doesn't have their papers to the border immediately? You are fucking insane! That's beyond nAHZi.
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But you said it was like a parking ticket. No big deal. So yes. If that is the law and that is the "fine", It's what must be done, Mr law. For someone so pontificatory about the subject you seem stupid at this point.
There is no fuss about deportation once their illegal presence has been proven. You are assuming guilt of a civil violation and ignoring any likelihood of innocence. Deportation is a bit extreme for a person who has a legal right to be here (especially since the crime is merely a civil violation) and so there needs to be protections. The Arizona law attempts to circumvent those protections jeopardizing the liberty of citizens.
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no. Youre trying to hamstring cops with idiocy so its not even possible to question people on their status.
Okay. You have shown that by repeating your assertions over and over again? You have not shown where anything is wrong in my understanding of the law.
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I have showed you to be a complete fraud. I win again.
 
You have not shown me to be in error once.

Deportation is not a penalty for someone who has no legal right to be here. It is a quite severe one for those who do have a legal right to be here, because it deprives them of a legal right. Understand? It's why we can't kick your stupid ass out.

So we should definitely take precautions to ensure the person is guilty at least as much as we would for a traffic violation that carries only a small fine. The cops can't rifle around in your pockets and extract the fine immediately. They don't need the legal rights of the criminally accused, though.

Usually, cops will not arrest you for driving without a license (a crime) because you may have just left it at home. They give you a chance to prove you have a license and usually even if you did not have one but get one before your court date, the court will dismiss the charges. There are more caution taken concerning this crime than what you propose for a civil violation.

The idea that we are going to deport someone immediately on probable cause of a civil violation is well beyond a reasonable reaction. Even the Arizona law is not close to that.

Take your meds and stfu.
 
RStringfield said:
You have not shown me to be in error once.

Deportation is not a penalty for someone who has no legal right to be here. It is a quite severe one for those who do have a legal right to be here, because it deprives them of a legal right. Understand? It's why we can't kick your stupid ass out.

So we should definitely take precautions to ensure the person is guilty at least as much as we would for a traffic violation that carries only a small fine. The cops can't rifle around in your pockets and extract the fine immediately. They don't need the legal rights of the criminally accused, though.

Usually, cops will not arrest you for driving without a license (a crime) because you may have just left it at home. They give you a chance to prove you have a license and usually even if you did not have one but get one before your court date, the court will dismiss the charges. There are more caution taken concerning this crime than what you propose for a civil violation.

The idea that we are going to deport someone immediately on probable cause of a civil violation is well beyond a reasonable reaction. Even the Arizona law is not close to that.

Take your meds and stfu.
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Your whole argument is based on irrational shutdowns of usual police power and wordplay.

being here illegally is worthy of deportation, so naturally cops have the right to inquire about this basic issue.
 
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AssHatZombie said:
Your whole argument is based on irrational shutdowns of usual police power and wordplay.

being here illegally is worthy of deportation, so naturally cops have the right to inquire about this basic issue.
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I think your error is shown in my recent new string on this board titled something like "Rstring's ACLU propaganda". You might want to take a look to see just how you are being taken in by the propaganda of the ACLU (I hope that you are not an actual member of the ACLU and actively disseminating the propaganda of the ACLU).
 
imnoliber said:
I think your error is shown in my recent new string on this board titled something like "Rstring's ACLU propaganda". You might want to take a look to see just how you are being taken in by the propaganda of the ACLU (I hope that you are not an actual member of the ACLU and actively disseminating the propaganda of the ACLU).
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No. YOu just explain it. I won't be mad.
 
It just seemed like you were talking about the stupid red herring about "well it could be he crossed legally and his visa expired". That's fucking stupid. That's all the rebuttal i need.
 
RStringfield said:
You have not shown me to be in error once.

Deportation is not a penalty for someone who has no legal right to be here. It is a quite severe one for those who do have a legal right to be here, because it deprives them of a legal right. Understand? It's why we can't kick your stupid ass out.

So we should definitely take precautions to ensure the person is guilty at least as much as we would for a traffic violation that carries only a small fine. The cops can't rifle around in your pockets and extract the fine immediately. They don't need the legal rights of the criminally accused, though.

Usually, cops will not arrest you for driving without a license (a crime) because you may have just left it at home. They give you a chance to prove you have a license and usually even if you did not have one but get one before your court date, the court will dismiss the charges. There are more caution taken concerning this crime than what you propose for a civil violation.

The idea that we are going to deport someone immediately on probable cause of a civil violation is well beyond a reasonable reaction. Even the Arizona law is not close to that.

Take your meds and stfu.
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I mistakenly replied to AHZ meaning to instead respond to your post here. Thus, I will repeat it here. Your error will become completely obvious in my new string entitled something like RStings ACLU propaganda. You might want to read that post. You are furthering the propaganda of the ACLU and I hope that you are not a member of the ACLU and purposely out there to disseminate their propaganda.
 
Yurt said:
oh, and shut up rstringfield....they can be arrested WITHOUT a warrant
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Strawman. They cannot be arrested without a warrant away from the immediate vicinity of the border based on probable cause of illegal entry, unless the federal agent has a legitimate reason to believe they will escape. Other than the border stuff (those involve probable cause of illegal entry), this is standard for civil violations of the law. It's not just this civil violation that requires a warrant.
 
RStringfield said:
Strawman. They cannot be arrested without a warrant away from the immediate vicinity of the border based on probable cause of illegal entry, unless the federal agent has a legitimate reason to believe they will escape. Other than the border stuff (those involve probable cause of illegal entry), this is standard for civil violations of the law. It's not just this civil violation that requires a warrant.
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its not a strawman dumbass....YOU made that specific argument:

Federal agents are NOT allowed to make a warrantless arrests of them based on probable cause of illegal presence alone.
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only after i provided you with the correct law, you then amended to add.... unless they believe escape....your first statement made no such exception, it was a flat out bright line rule against any and all arrests without a warrant
 
The sentence is correct and that was not my first statement on it. You think you have some gotcha moment, good for you, dumbfuck.

The Arizona law says jack shit about escape! It goes beyond what federal agents are permitted to do and that was always the point. Your delusion of a gotcha moment, is not relevant.

But you go ahead and hold onto that as the one little knick you got in between the pummeling I have delivered. I won't deprive you of it, little man.
 
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