I'll be damned...the most brutal of the Delhi gang rapists is Muslim.

christiefan915 said:
Maybe they hold their religion in esteem the way you hold your gun rights in esteem. After all you and a few others said the CT childrens' deaths weren't as important as your rights to guns.
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and it isn't. that's why the second amendment still exists even in spite of the deaths of those children.

There is a difference between a preference between two very important things, and just wishing death upon people, which I have never done, though 20% of muslims have.
 
christiefan915 said:
If you made logical sense you might have something to brag about. Your comments on the gun threads show you're every bit the fanatic as the e-e-e-vil Muslims.
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still zero retort to the things I have stated. Zero counterclaims or refutation of the facts that I have posted. These are the actions of a failed debater, and one who has lost the argument. All you can do is point your fingers elsewhere, but in doing so, you've done nothing but begrudgingly accept what it was that I posted.
 
The Kicker of Elves said:
still zero retort to the things I have stated. Zero counterclaims or refutation of the facts that I have posted. These are the actions of a failed debater, and one who has lost the argument. All you can do is point your fingers elsewhere, but in doing so, you've done nothing but begrudgingly accept what it was that I posted.
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When the Pew poll was analyzed, scholars familiar with Islam weren't surprised by the results - but also concluded that it wasn't reflective of how people truly view those punishments. They said in Islam, when confronted with a black & white question such as those posed by the Pew poll, most people - even secular Muslims - would respond with what they perceived as being ordained by the religion. They say what they think they're supposed to say, but may not actually support the practice themselves.

It's one poll, that you weren't even aware of earlier in the thread, and you're using it to impugn pretty much everyone who calls themselves a Muslim. I will never argue that most Muslim countries are not behind the U.S. when it comes to civil rights & reforms. But they are not THAT far behind, and the impediments to those countries "catching up" have much more to do with education & the economy than with the religion.
 
The Kicker of Elves said:
still zero retort to the things I have stated. Zero counterclaims or refutation of the facts that I have posted. These are the actions of a failed debater, and one who has lost the argument. All you can do is point your fingers elsewhere, but in doing so, you've done nothing but begrudgingly accept what it was that I posted.
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Posts 209, 215, 229, 235, 236 and 238. That you didn't agree with my responses is not my problem.
 
Grind, are you having your period?

I don't know, the only thing I can speak from on this subject is my personal experience. I think it's difficult to weigh just how "bad" one country is compared to another country, unless you have been to both, and perhaps, unless you have lived in both. I don't think anyone here really knows.
 
Thing1 said:
When the Pew poll was analyzed, scholars familiar with Islam weren't surprised by the results - but also concluded that it wasn't reflective of how people truly view those punishments. They said in Islam, when confronted with a black & white question such as those posed by the Pew poll, most people - even secular Muslims - would respond with what they perceived as being ordained by the religion. They say what they think they're supposed to say, but may not actually support the practice themselves.

It's one poll, that you weren't even aware of earlier in the thread, and you're using it to impugn pretty much everyone who calls themselves a Muslim. I will never argue that most Muslim countries are not behind the U.S. when it comes to civil rights & reforms. But they are not THAT far behind, and the impediments to those countries "catching up" have much more to do with education & the economy than with the religion.
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They say what they think they're supposed to say, but may not actually support the practice themselves.

No shit.....thats what the pinheads do here at their silly demonstrations.....

We've seen the interviewers ask simple questions about why they are demonstrating and the answers some back as totally inane and stupid or like they were
reading the answers from a que-card......pre-cooked and memorized..... and idiots had no clue what they were talking about.....
 
bravo said:
They say what they think they're supposed to say, but may not actually support the practice themselves.

No shit.....thats what the pinheads do here at their silly demonstrations.....

We've seen the interviewers ask simple questions about why they are demonstrating and the answers some back as totally inane and stupid or like they were
reading the answers from a que-card......pre-cooked and memorized..... and idiots had no clue what they were talking about.....
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Projecting again, bravo.
 
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Are you asking for the data on how many former Muslims are executed for leaving the faith?




Yes, I am.

And are you being silly ?...Do you imagine records are kept in a file somewhere?....you can't be serious and if you are, you're an idiot....B


And just what is your point ?



My point is that different societies have different laws and what's criminal in one isn't in another.

Its about barbaric behavior, not law....barbarians make laws too you know......the inquision and witch trials had laws too, does that make what they did any less barbaric?..B


....50 % of Americans not only believe in the death penalty,.... but where the liberals don't go bat shit crazy protesting, when the
execution date arrives, we carry it though to protect society and for justice for murdered victim....




It's not justice, it's not a deterrent, it's revenge, pure and simple. We as a society should be better than that.

You've a right to your opinion, as I...but the DP is revenge, it is a deterrent, it is justice...and some people are evil psychopaths and danger to everyone and thus forfeit their right to live...B

Are you actually comparing the death sentence for murderers in the west, equal to death for leaving the Muslim religion anywhere in the world?




I'm saying both are wrong.....

wrong also has degrees of seriousness....if you don't see that, you're not worth the trouble to reason with.....B.

Of course we're talking about different cultures.....practically speaking, a civilized culture compared to a barbaric culture....death for leaving the faith is the least of their barbarism.....don't just ignore the mutilation, enslavement, the methods of punishment, the injustice for being a victim, lack of basic human rights, etc.....
The culture must be evaluated as a whole, not just in apostasy.



I've never denied that these things occur, and not just in ME cultures, in all cultures. But it's infuriating to see you guys thinking you can impose Western values on other parts of the world on one hand, yet you bitch and complain about Muslim, Hispanic, etc. cultures eroding WASP America on the other hand. I haven't forgotten the Park 51 business a few years ago when so many nutcases complained about the mosque and made death threats to the builders. Not to mention all the violence and death threats to Muslims starting with 9/11. We do not have the moral high ground here, our country's fanatics are as nasty as anyone's.



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Thing1 said:
When the Pew poll was analyzed, scholars familiar with Islam weren't surprised by the results - but also concluded that it wasn't reflective of how people truly view those punishments. They said in Islam, when confronted with a black & white question such as those posed by the Pew poll, most people - even secular Muslims - would respond with what they perceived as being ordained by the religion. They say what they think they're supposed to say, but may not actually support the practice themselves.

It's one poll, that you weren't even aware of earlier in the thread, and you're using it to impugn pretty much everyone who calls themselves a Muslim. I will never argue that most Muslim countries are not behind the U.S. when it comes to civil rights & reforms. But they are not THAT far behind, and the impediments to those countries "catching up" have much more to do with education & the economy than with the religion.
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lol this is hilarious. You have their own words and you're so desperately trying to twist and contort that into being "what they say they don't actually mean," - and of course you have no evidence to back up this assertion, just one guy trying to do damage control. Prole that you are, you fall for it hook line and sinker.
 
The Kicker of Elves said:
lol this is hilarious. you have their own words and you are so desperate to try to twist and contort to establish that "what they say they don't actually mean," and of course you have no evidence to back up this assertion, just one guy trying to do damage control. Prole that you are, you fall for it hook line and sinker.
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Sorry, but I laughed even harder. You had nothing to back up the arguments you made in the 1st half of this thread, until someone posted a single Pew poll that you then went on to treat as gospel in the 2nd half of the thread.

Maybe we're both fools. But at least I'm not a bigoted fool.
 
christiefan915 said:
Posts 209, 215, 229, 235, 236 and 238. That you didn't agree with my responses is not my problem.
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you haven't refuted anything, the best you've been able to muster is "other people do it to" or random unrelated tangents of barely critical thinking.

Get back to me when you've actually tried to take a stab at my actual FACTS and figures.

20% of muslims (at least) believe in death for apostasy. A very sizeable portion of the muslim community, not a small fringe group, not a paltry number.
 
And just to add - if Islam was as violent as it's being portrayed on this board, none of us would stand a chance. There would be violence in the streets here every day.
 
someone pm me if there is anything of new substance in this thread to respond to. I think I've said all that's needed to be said. I won't be checking back to look for more non-arguments that don't address anything relevant or to read the same arguments I've already seen and shot down repeatedly.
 
Thing1 said:
And just to add - if Islam was as violent as it's being portrayed on this board, none of us would stand a chance. There would be violence in the streets here every day.
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maybe u.s. muslims are the good ones. They would make up a small portion of the muslims however given most are in the middle east.

also: poor as potatoes, throwing rocks can only get you so far.
 
The Kicker of Elves said:
have 300 million christians bombed abortion clinics? Where are your stats to show 300 million christians support death for gays? (which muslims are also probably up there on, if not higher). back up your statements with some facts, and then we'll talk.
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I could not find a worldwide poll of Christians on these issues. I could not find a Pew poll on how many Christians worldwide feel we should bomb the Muslims back to the stone age.
 
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