Ignorance and the Bible

Dutch Uncle said:
While most of us are raised to seek prosperity and professional success, to do so at the expense of others is a sin, IMO. It's evil to believe in a Zero-Sum philosophy then work to take from others. Especially those who can't defend themselves or can't afford the loss.

Agreed on Jesus. Notice that all the atheists hate Jesus. They hate the religion Christianity so much they fail to look at the philosophy behind it. Atheists effectively throw the baby Jesus out with the bathwater in their rush to attack dogmatic Christianity.
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Agreed. Jesus and Siddhartha Gautauma both had the interesting insights that avarice, temptation, and desire could enslave you, and to liberate yourself you had to rise above some natural instincts and urges.

I believe most atheists think very little about religion.

As Albert Einstein pointed out, it's the professional or militant atheist who really gets bent out of shape.
 
domer76 said:
The written words

Nope, not my religion. Unlike you, however, I can read and actually look things up to educate myself.

The Doctrine of the Trinity says 3 distinct and separate persons. Not 3 manifestations of one person.

I realize that the polytheistic nature of that doctrine fucks with your willfully ignorant head, but that’s the way it is. You’ll just have to live with that reality.

You are merely another example of atheists knowing more about your religion than you do.
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I don't take advice from atheists on the Trinity
 
Dutch Uncle said:
While most of us are raised to seek prosperity and professional success, to do so at the expense of others is a sin, IMO. It's evil to believe in a Zero-Sum philosophy then work to take from others. Especially those who can't defend themselves or can't afford the loss.

Agreed on Jesus. Notice that all the atheists hate Jesus. They hate the religion Christianity so much they fail to look at the philosophy behind it. Atheists effectively throw the baby Jesus out with the bathwater in their rush to attack dogmatic Christianity.
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Atheists are obsessed with Jesus,see it here,Facebook everywhere
 
Cypress said:
Agreed. Jesus and Siddhartha Gautauma both had the interesting insights that avarice, temptation, and desire could enslave you, and to liberate yourself you had to rise above some natural instincts and urges.

I believe most atheists think very little about religion.

As Albert Einstein pointed out, it's the professional or militant atheist who really gets bent out of shape.
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Agreed on all points.

Attachments to material things is what seems to bring some people down and also a salient quality of atheism since they are very materialistic.

Throughout my career, I've seen people end up killing or hurting themselves trying to protect things instead of their own lives. Mainly this was pilots staying with an aircraft when they should have bailed out or passengers trying to gather their belongings, and blocking others in the process, during an evacuation.

One common trait both my wife and I shared when we first met was a complete (in her case) and near-complete (in my case) loss of all of our possessions, souvenirs, pictures, etc. While it's nice to have nice things, both of us know not to get too attached to them. Neither of us needs to have "the best" just assurance that it will get the job done. Non-attachment allows us to travel light and shed unnecessary or cumbersome items should conditions warrant.

Very materialistic people are very attached to their material possessions since those possessions define their lives. Notice that militant atheists are the opposite of Zen-like. This also goes with your thread on atheist presidents.

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Do you know someone who always wants more? Someone who is never satisfied with what they have? If so, then you know a materialistic person.

Materialistic people are always looking for ways to acquire more money and more possessions. They believe that having more money or things will make them happier and more fulfilled in life.

However, studies reveal that this is rarely the case. In fact, materialistic people are more likely to have low self-esteem, be unhappy, and even make it harder for them to have healthy relationships. When you compare their habits and behaviors to the happiest people in the world, you realize that stuff isn’t what brings true joy!

Here is a list of the top ten characteristics of materialistic people and a few insights as to why they are never satisfied – no matter how much they have!
 
Cypress said:
BGV = The Universe Had a Beginning, according to it's author Velinkin.

You have to explain how the universe began from nothing, using only the tools and logic of atheism.

You've put an extraordinary amount of effort thinking about the belief system of Christianity, but I don't think you've ever taken a step back and critically evaluated your own faith system.

If you had, you wouldn't have blurted out "because we're human!" as a satisfactory or adequate explanation for how inanimate electrons and quarks acquire conscience, imagination, abstract thought.
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BGV says nothing about the creation of the universe. Last time I’ll correct you on that.

Nobody said the universe came from nothing. Last time I’ll correct you on that.

I don’t have a faith system. Faith is belief without evidence. That seems to be in your wheelhouse.

If you paid any attention to human evolution, you’d know at some point our brains developed sufficiently to where we acquired the ability to have abstract thought, imagination, consciousness. They just didn’t pop out of some deity’s butthole
 
Cypress said:
Not every thing in life has to be rational, scientific, mathematical. We're not robots.
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You claimed it was rational. Don't back away now.

Cypress said:
Whether or not I believe it, it's a beautiful story that God entered human history, and chose to share in human suffering.
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By requiring his people murder him to sacrifice himself to him. Ironic given how much you whined about ancients and their benighted human sacrifices.

 
domer76 said:
BGV says nothing about the creation of the universe. Last time I’ll correct you on that.
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It says the universe has a beginning, according to it's author Velenkin.

I totally understand why you want to run away from having to explain this beginning using the logic and tools of atheism.
domer76 said:
Nobody said the universe came from nothing. Last time I’ll correct you on that.
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Space, matter, and time were created. The universe had a beginning.

Without space, time, and matter you have nothing by definition.

I totally understand why you want to run away from having to explain the beginning of the universe using the logic and tools of atheism.
domer76 said:
I don’t have a faith system.
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Yes you do. You believe in miracles that are just as extraordinary as any in the New testament.

I have been reasonably impartial and comprehensive in my criticisms of both the flaws in the Christian Bible, and in the faith system of strict physical materialism of the atheists.

You are as bad as the Bible thumpers because you are just as dogmatic as them, and you have never once reflected or evaluated the assumptions underlying your own faith.
 
Cypress said:
I have been reasonably impartial and comprehensive in my criticisms of both the flaws in the Christian Bible, and in the faith system of strict physical materialism of the atheists.
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Must be somewhere else here on JPP because it doesn't appear that way here on the Religion/Philosophy forums.
 
Margot said:
Most are hedging their bet! Hoping if they are wrong they can say!
"Gee Jesus if you had told me you were real,I would have STFU"
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I know it makes you "Christians" feel better to think about atheists getting punished on "Judgement Day" but do try to wipe the drool off your chin when you are done.
 
domer76 said:
No, it isn’t. The Trinity holds that they are 3 distinct entities. 3 distinct persons, if you will. Nothing about a spirit guidance of the three. It’s basically polytheism cloaked in gibberish.

Jesus never claimed he was God, nor did his followers believe him to be when he was alive. Only when he died, and messiahs aren’t supposed to do so, did the idea float that he was exalted to the right hand of God. Not the Trinity yet, however. That came much later. Always to fix a theological problem.

There’s nothing in nature that reveals a deity.
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There is nothing in nature that reveals all sorts of things...except to people naive enough to suppose that "nature" is only the stuff that humans can detect. Humans are merely the currently dominant species on a speck of dust orbiting a nondescript star (among hundreds of billions of stars) in a non-descript galaxy (among trillions of galaxies).

The notion that nothing in nature reveals a deity is an absurdity...the product of a belief, which is to say, the product of a blind guess.
 
Ross Dolan said:
There is nothing in nature that reveals all sorts of things...except to people naive enough to suppose that "nature" is only the stuff that humans can detect. Humans are merely the currently dominant species on a speck of dust orbiting a nondescript star (among hundreds of billions of stars) in a non-descript galaxy (among trillions of galaxies).

The notion that nothing in nature reveals a deity is an absurdity...the product of a belief, which is to say, the product of a blind guess.
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Agreed. If there was proof of God the entire world would know it by now.
 
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