Ignorance and the Bible

domer76 said:
There’s nothing about nature that indicates a personal deity. Nothing.
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Revelation in nature points can reasonably be interpreted as evidence of a rational mind, or a purposeful organizing entity given the lawful, mathematically rational, organized, and finely tuned nature of the cosmos.

If one accepts the evidence and testimony of God entering human history as the human being Jesus of Nazareth, then there is a personal God.

You don't have to agree with it

I just don't think it's irrational and idiotic to hold a basic Christian belief based on the evidence and weight of the testimony.

domer76 said:
I never said anyone “has to” believe in the virgin birth. Nobody “has to” anything on any religion. It’s a choice, not a requirement. As I said, you can talk to any of the millions of Catholics worldwide about their Virgin Mother.

The birth story was just another concoction to fulfill prophecy. Just as the deification of Jesus was a concoction to fix the problem of their messiah getting killed. That wasn’t supposed to happen to a messiah, so now what the fuck to do? Oh, let’s make him a god.

Then, it took another couple of centuries for them to concoct another fix regarding the god thing. He can’t be a subordinate god to the Big Guy, so let’s invent the Trinity to fix that problem.

There always needs to be a fix, doesn’t there?
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That's what I used to think.

The fact is there was a fully reported resurrection story from the earliest days of the Church in Jerusalem found in 1 Corinthians. And Phillipians (dated 50 AD) cites an early Christian creed that refers to Jesus as God in nature.

Those creeds are from very early days, probably from the 30s AD. Which means the resurrection account and the belief in Jesus as lord in nature goes back to the earliest days of the Church in Jerusalem, and were not later legendary accounts fabricated out of whole cloth.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Correct. That's why fanatics, be they atheist or theist, are idiots. It's a matter of faith, not fact.

OTOH, since no deities or morals exist, killing assholes means one's soul will never be harmed regardless of their beliefs or disbeliefs, eh? LOL


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That's about the least attractive part of atheism: evil ultimately wins in the end, and there is no ultimate justice.

That may very well be true, but it's not an appealing philosophy.
 
gmark77 said:
This is why religion has no role in the sciences.
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The absurd claim that religion has no role in science is laughably ignorant, a lazy trope born of modern biases rather than historical reality. Science as we know it didn’t spring from some secular void or someone with all the ignorance of a gmark who dared to go against the grain, its roots are not just tangled in religious thought, they're a direct result of it. Ancient Mesopotamia, Egypt, and Greece laid early groundwork, and it was medieval Islamic and Christian scholars who systematized inquiry. (translation for morons: early roots of science)

Figures like Al-Biruni and Avicenna for starters, grounded in Islamic theology, advanced mathematics and astronomy. In Europe, monks and clergy like Roger Bacon and Copernicus, (heard of him?) yes, a Catholic canon, pushed empirical methods while devoutly religious. The scientific method itself owes a debt to scholasticism, (look it up) a religious framework that demanded rigorous logic and evidence.

Religion didn’t just cradle early science, it bankrolled it. The Church funded universities, observatories, and research, from the Jesuits’ astronomical work to Mendel’s pea plants, oh, by the way, he was a monk. Even Galileo, many libtards poster child for "religion vs. science," was a devout Catholic whose clash was more about politics than faith, of course, modern morons fail to understand or purposely overlook that inconvenient fact.

To pretend religion inherently stifles science or your brilliant comment that religion has no role in science, is to ignore history and ignore the countless believers who propelled human understanding forward. More than that, it demonstrates the complete and total ignorance of the average libtard today.

I looked through many of the comments on this thread and it was hard to pick the dumbest to reply to. It was a tossup,= but you won, congrats.
 
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