IF your on the FBI's terrorist watch list, should you be free to own an AK?

Jarod said:
Seriously should we be allowing those on the terrorist watch list to waltz into Gander Mountain and buy as many Assault Rifles as they want?

As many armor piercing bullets as they chose?


I believe in Due Process, but cant a system be set up to give Due Process but still prevent those on the list from having 25 Assault Rifles in their basement?

We do it for mentally ill people, don't we?
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Background checks are designed to identify persons who are ineligible to purchase firearms under federal, state or local law, and prevent those persons from obtaining firearms. As described below, federal law requires federally licensed firearms dealers to conduct background checks on potential firearm purchasers. Since the federal background check requirement was adopted in 1994, over two million prohibited persons have been denied a firearm transfer or permit through the FBI’s background check system.

if a firearms dealer who has initiated a background check has not been notified within three business days that the sale would violate federal or state laws, the sale may proceed by default. In each of these instances, ATF received a referral from the FBI requesting further review and possible retrieval of firearms that had been sold to an ineligible person by default. Many default proceed cases require extra time and attention precisely because the firearm purchaser has a long record of dangerous red flags; according to data compiled by Mayors Against Illegal Guns, default proceed sales are 8 times more likely to involve a prohibited purchaser than other background checks. In default proceed cases where the person’s status was eventually resolved, the FBI has reported that nearly one quarter of the individuals investigated were determined to be legally prohibited from purchasing or possessing a firearm.

If you have a problem or a suggestion concerning background checks, contact the ATF or FBI.....THEY DO THE CHECKS
 
Jarod said:
All you need is a tribunal to determine if your name being on the watch list is justified. Go to County Court and get your name removed... Easy as that. If Republicans wanted it, it would exist.
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Easy your ass.....some people have been trying for get off that list for years and can't .....
 
BLABO said:
Background checks are designed to identify persons who are ineligible to purchase firearms under federal, state or local law, and prevent those persons from obtaining firearms. As described below, federal law requires federally licensed firearms dealers to conduct background checks on potential firearm purchasers. Since the federal background check requirement was adopted in 1994, over two million prohibited persons have been denied a firearm transfer or permit through the FBI’s background check system.

if a firearms dealer who has initiated a background check has not been notified within three business days that the sale would violate federal or state laws, the sale may proceed by default. In each of these instances, ATF received a referral from the FBI requesting further review and possible retrieval of firearms that had been sold to an ineligible person by default. Many default proceed cases require extra time and attention precisely because the firearm purchaser has a long record of dangerous red flags; according to data compiled by Mayors Against Illegal Guns, default proceed sales are 8 times more likely to involve a prohibited purchaser than other background checks. In default proceed cases where the person’s status was eventually resolved, the FBI has reported that nearly one quarter of the individuals investigated were determined to be legally prohibited from purchasing or possessing a firearm.

If you have a problem or a suggestion concerning background checks, contact the ATF or FBI.....THEY DO THE CHECKS
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BLABO thinks the terrorist watchlist is the same as the background check.

BLABO doesn't know that the GOP-controlled Congress just refused - again - to allow the Terrorist Watchlist to prohibit firearm sales to people (foreign nationals and US citizens) from buying guns.

Poor BLABO.
 
So Jarod, a supposed lawyer, is ok with the concept of guilty until proven innocent? Of course if it was about a right HE wanted to exercise, he wouldn't sing that tune.
 
Jarod said:
All you need is a tribunal to determine if your name being on the watch list is justified. Go to County Court and get your name removed... Easy as that. If Republicans wanted it, it would exist.
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Thank you, Counselor.

I don't recall all this Klan angst when Ted Kennedy was on the no-fly list.

Do you?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ted-kennedys-airport-adventure/
 
Sheogorath said:
So Jarod, a supposed lawyer, is ok with the concept of guilty until proven innocent? Of course if it was about a right HE wanted to exercise, he wouldn't sing that tune.
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It's the law of the land.

If you threw away your votes on fringe candidates, you helped elect the people that enacted these laws.

Cry harder.
 
Leonthecat said:
Do YOU care about the terrorist watchlist? Why did your party vote to allow domestic terrorists to legally buy all the weapons they want?
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As the NSSF had warned, Senator Dianne Feinstein introduced two pieces of legislation yesterday (one amendment to an existing bill and another as a stand-alone bill) that would have stripped Americans of their Constitutional right to own firearms if they appear on a secret government list — a list that even the New York Times and the ACLU have called unconstitutional and dangerous. Once again, Senator Feinstein doesn’t actually seem to care about Constitutionally protected rights, whether they’re enumerated in the Second or Fifth Amendment. There is some good news, though, in that DiFi’s amendment died a quick death on the Senate floor, but the Democrats have continued to press their talking point that this so-called “terror gap” is somehow allowing terrorists to purchase guns ...

There’s an interesting wrinkle here: the notion that the Attorney General can block the sale if they believe the weapon will be used in an “act of terrorism.” It seems innocuous until you realize that the recent strategy of the Democrat party is to call every incident of “gun violence” an act of “domestic terrorism.” Since they are similarly convinced that the only purpose of buying a firearm is to murder innocent people, it stands to reason that the AG can use this logic to summarily stop all gun sales in the entire United States without any oversight. For those of us who are interested in seeing due process be followed before any restriction of Americans’ Constitutional rights that’s a fairly disturbing concept.

Poor LeontheMoron....
 
BLABO said:
As the NSSF had warned, Senator Dianne Feinstein introduced two pieces of legislation yesterday (one amendment to an existing bill and another as a stand-alone bill) that would have stripped Americans of their Constitutional right to own firearms if they appear on a secret government list — a list that even the New York Times and the ACLU have called unconstitutional and dangerous. Once again, Senator Feinstein doesn’t actually seem to care about Constitutionally protected rights, whether they’re enumerated in the Second or Fifth Amendment. There is some good news, though, in that DiFi’s amendment died a quick death on the Senate floor, but the Democrats have continued to press their talking point that this so-called “terror gap” is somehow allowing terrorists to purchase guns ...There’s an interesting wrinkle here: the notion that the Attorney General can block the sale if they believe the weapon will be used in an “act of terrorism.” It seems innocuous until you realize that the recent strategy of the Democrat party is to call every incident of “gun violence” an act of “domestic terrorism.” Since they are similarly convinced that the only purpose of buying a firearm is to murder innocent people, it stands to reason that the AG can use this logic to summarily stop all gun sales in the entire United States without any oversight. For those of us who are interested in seeing due process be followed before any restriction of Americans’ Constitutional rights that’s a fairly disturbing concept.

Poor LeontheMoron....
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BLABO thinks that Syed Rizwan Farook's right to bear arms is a Democrat plot.

Poor BLABO.
 
Sheogorath said:
So Jarod, a supposed lawyer, is ok with the concept of guilty until proven innocent? Of course if it was about a right HE wanted to exercise, he wouldn't sing that tune.
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And he is one the clowns that bitched and bitched about the (Bush) Patriot Act when all it did was monitor overseas calls....now he wants people to lose their
Constitutional Rights without due process because somebody put their name on a secret list.....

Not only is he a hypocrite, hes a dimwit lawyer that doesn't understand his own rights under the constitution....
 
BLABO said:
And he is one the clowns that bitched and bitched about the (Bush) Patriot Act when all it did was monitor overseas calls....now he wants people to lose their Constitutional Rights without due process because somebody put their name on a secret list.....Not only is he a hypocrite, hes a dimwit lawyer that doesn't understand his own rights under the constitution....
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BLABO thinks the list is "secret", but he complained a few minutes ago that "some people have been trying for get off that list for years and can't". :palm:

BLABO said:
Easy your ass.....some people have been trying for get off that list for years and can't .....
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Poor BLABO.
 
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