"If you wouldn't have been there ..." Judge lectures victim

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http://azdailysun.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/article_0aa8be56-f7a3-11e1-b804-0019bb2963f4.html

"If you wouldn't have been there that night, none of this would have happened to you," Hatch said.

Hatch told the victim and the defendant that no one would be happy with the sentence she gave, but that finding an appropriate sentence was her duty.

"I hope you look at what you've been through and try to take something positive out of it," Hatch said to the victim in court. "You learned a lesson about friendship and you learned a lesson about vulnerability."
Hatch said that the victim was not to blame in the case, but that all women must be vigilant against becoming victims.

"When you blame others, you give up your power to change," Hatch said that her mother used to say.
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Jan Brewer appointed her. Frankly - in my mind? Arizona has been my version of hell for many months now. People call in, and when they say they're from AZ, I practically feel like offering them sympathy. I cannot imagine living in that state, especially not as a female.


 
"BAD THINGS CAN HAPPEN IN BARS

A jury convicted Evans of sexual abuse, a class 5 felony, on July 2.

DPS fired Evans shortly after his criminal conviction and following an internal investigation, according to officials.

The judge sentencing Evans, Coconino County Superior Court Judge Jacqueline Hatch, said she hoped both the defendant and the victim would take lessons away from the case.

Bad things can happen in bars, Hatch told the victim, adding that other people might be more intoxicated than she was.

"If you wouldn't have been there that night, none of this would have happened to you," Hatch said.

Hatch told the victim and the defendant that no one would be happy with the sentence she gave, but that finding an appropriate sentence was her duty.

"I hope you look at what you've been through and try to take something positive out of it," Hatch said to the victim in court. "You learned a lesson about friendship and you learned a lesson about vulnerability."

Hatch said that the victim was not to blame in the case, but that all women must be vigilant against becoming victims.

"When you blame others, you give up your power to change," Hatch said that her mother used to say."

Entire statement.


Interesting method of getting the "whole story". I see where the judge is coming from, when you go out and get smashed, around other people who get smashed, things can happen. This wasn't a male judge condoning a rape, this was a female judge making a statement about bars.
 
Wasn't it legitimate rape, then?


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Disillusioned said:
"BAD THINGS CAN HAPPEN IN BARS

A jury convicted Evans of sexual abuse, a class 5 felony, on July 2.

DPS fired Evans shortly after his criminal conviction and following an internal investigation, according to officials.

The judge sentencing Evans, Coconino County Superior Court Judge Jacqueline Hatch, said she hoped both the defendant and the victim would take lessons away from the case.

Bad things can happen in bars, Hatch told the victim, adding that other people might be more intoxicated than she was.

"If you wouldn't have been there that night, none of this would have happened to you," Hatch said.

Hatch told the victim and the defendant that no one would be happy with the sentence she gave, but that finding an appropriate sentence was her duty.

"I hope you look at what you've been through and try to take something positive out of it," Hatch said to the victim in court. "You learned a lesson about friendship and you learned a lesson about vulnerability."

Hatch said that the victim was not to blame in the case, but that all women must be vigilant against becoming victims.

"When you blame others, you give up your power to change," Hatch said that her mother used to say."

Entire statement.


Interesting method of getting the "whole story". I see where the judge is coming from, when you go out and get smashed, around other people who get smashed, things can happen. This wasn't a male judge condoning a rape, this was a female judge making a statement about bars.
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please don't confuse him with the truth.
 
Sounds like damn good, sensible advise.....the same advise I would give to my daughter or granddaughter or sister......

People that put themselves in danger have to realize the risk they take.....and act accordingly....

a smoker that gets cancer sure can't act all surprised when he or she gets the bad news.....

Its that old phrase that seems to be foreign to the foolish.....Personal responsibility......

Walking down a city street at 3pm is different than walking that same street at 3am and we all know it....
 
Was Gabby Giffords putting herself in danger when she attended a meeting in Arizona?

Should Jared Loughner's attorneys ask the judge in that case to tell her "if you hadn't been there, this wouldn't have happened to you?
 
Women don't belong in bars. Got it.

What century do you actually live in? And - you DO know that you can drink without getting drunk. Right? Or don't you know that.
 
Unk said:
http://azdailysun.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/article_0aa8be56-f7a3-11e1-b804-0019bb2963f4.html



Jan Brewer appointed her. Frankly - in my mind? Arizona has been my version of hell for many months now. People call in, and when they say they're from AZ, I practically feel like offering them sympathy. I cannot imagine living in that state, especially not as a female.
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I KNOW you are America, but don't your judges know correct English either?
'Had you not been there....'
'Had you been there...'


'If you wouldn't have been there...????' What the hell is that?? OK for a street kid, but a judge?? Eng Lang 101 - if you have such a thing in the US.
 
Lowaicue said:
I KNOW you are America, but don't your judges know correct English either?
'Had you not been there....'
'Had you been there...'


'If you wouldn't have been there...????' What the hell is that?? OK for a street kid, but a judge?? Eng Lang 101 - if you have such a thing in the US.
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Actually, I'm not America. I'm an American.
 
Unk said:
Actually, I'm not America. I'm an American.
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I was addressing everyone, as in 'Hello, America.' It saddens me when those we should be able to look up to have an education standard lower than a fifth former.
 
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Was Gabby Giffords putting herself in danger when she attended a meeting in Arizona?

Should Jared Loughner's attorneys ask the judge in that case to tell her "if you hadn't been there, this wouldn't have happened to you?
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LOL how is that even close to the same thing? God damn, you're really reaching on that one
 
tinfoil said:
LOL how is that even close to the same thing? God damn, you're really reaching on that one
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How is that not close to the same thing? God damn, you're really desperate to defend the indefensible.

Don't you agree that Arizonan women shouldn't put themselves in situations where they could be harmed?
 
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She has since apologized.
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That's the forerunner to getting sacked in public service. What an insensitive and asinine comment to make. I was once jumped by four thugs outside a bar. I was able to hold the punks off until the cops arrived and their moron ring leader got stupid and ran and was aprehended. In court the judge literally asked me. "Why shouldn't I treat this as just another bar fight?" and I replied "Because getting jumped by four thugs isn't a bar fight. No one deserves that." The judge agreed with me. He also ruled that as the vicitim I was due compensation for medical expenses and ordered the ring leader to pay my medical expenses (nearly a thousand dollars). It probably goes with out saying that it helped my cause when I showed up for court on time wearing a suit and looking like a young Republican where as my assailant showed up late wearing blue jeans and a fatigue jacket.
 
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