If You Feel Like Getting Angry

Damocles said:
:rolleyes:

You refuse to admit to a current problem with the government and health care with even the few they are supposed to cover and pretend that exempting those who decide care from lawsuits somehow makes it better. Pretty standard fare... (blah, blah...)
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I don't refuse to admit anything. The things that you are complaining about have exactly zero to do with anything for a whole host of reasons, not least of which is that the government under the ACA is neither a provider nor an insurer of anyone.

Damocles said:
Now can you address my point? The benevolence of the government in regard to health care is exaggerated, and with this legislation they actually take away one of the few forms of redress people used to have...
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You have no point except to derail the conversation from one about the existing pernicious practices of the insurance industry. Sorry. I'm not going to indulge you.
 
NigelTufnel said:
I don't refuse to admit anything. The things that you are complaining about have exactly zero to do with anything for a whole host of reasons, not least of which is that the government under the ACA is neither a provider nor an insurer of anyone.



You have no point except to derail the conversation from one about the existing pernicious practices of the insurance industry. Sorry. I'm not going to indulge you.
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Bull, I simply refer back to the 9 men with Breast Cancer (veterans from the Gulf War who served in the same place) who the government refuses to cover (posted earlier on this site).

You can refuse to "indulge" an exactly equal "problem" with the government, as well as their atrocious past when it comes to health care and attempt to keep us all in stupid gear forever, but I'll continue to point out that the benevolence of government is extremely exaggerated, even and especially our own.
 
NigelTufnel said:
What's the connection? Well, on the one hand we have actual very real currently existing death panels. On the other, we have the fevered imaginings of a former half term governor.
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And those who care to be honest, e.g., Robert Reich, instead of living in a fantasy world where the government can somehow magically overcome the problem of limited resources.

And while there is a dichotomy between the status quo - which is the above - and "government interference" - regulations to prevent the pernicious practices of the insurance industry - but it ain't a false one.
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Certainly, it is a false dichotomy. You guys are forcing all of us to become customers of the evil insurance industry. It was government interference that created the great demand for their services in the first place. The status-quo (prior to the bill's passage) was government interference on behalf of insurance companies and that is still true.
 
RStringfield said:
And those who care to be honest, e.g., Robert Reich, instead of living in a fantasy world where the government can somehow magically overcome the problem of limited resources.
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I understand that problem of limited resources, but that's a problem we have today and a problem that, under the ACA, the government will have no more power to address than is currently has. There are no death panels in the law.

I take it you understand the connection to "death panel" bullshit now.

Damocles said:
Certainly, it is a false dichotomy. You guys are forcing all of us to become customers of the evil insurance industry. It was government interference that created the great demand for their services in the first place. The status-quo (prior to the bill's passage) was government interference on behalf of insurance companies and that is still true.
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I'm not really into hashing this one out with you, suffice it to say that we disagree.
 
NigelTufnel said:
You have no point except to derail the conversation from one about the existing pernicious practices of the insurance industry. Sorry. I'm not going to indulge you.
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You derailed that by arguing that this somehow silences all complaints about the pitfalls of further government involvement. You changed the conversation from an attack on these practices to an attack on opponents of further government control. If you want to bitch about the insurance companies, I will be happy to join the chorus. They suck!

The practices outlined should not be tolerated, but the government is in their pockets and fails to punish these criminals.
 
NigelTufnel said:
I understand that problem of limited resources, but that's a problem we have today and a problem that, under the ACA, the government will have no more power to address than is currently has. There are no death panels in the law.
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Limited resources insure that some will be denied care. It is unavoidable. Even if there is payment for anything the patient wanted it can only be done with opportunity costs in some other area.
 
Damocles said:
No it isn't "absurd"...

Deliberately and with vile purpose getting people sick isn't worse? At least these people had a (an inadequate one as I said earlier) form of redress.
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I'm curious...why are you allowed to have and express your opinion, but no one else is allowed?

If Onceler says it's ABSURD, then that's his opinion and notwithstanding all your sighing and condescending little aides, he's just as entitled as you are to yours.

Now, please demonstrate this "vile purpose" you mention. Are you really going to claim that you think our Government got our men and women sick? On purpose?

Once again raising the "hyperbole" bar to new and as yet unrecorded heights...a guy could get a nosebleed this high off the ground.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
I'm curious...why are you allowed to have and express your opinion, but no one else is allowed?

If Onceler says it's ABSURD, then that's his opinion and notwithstanding all your sighing and condescending little aides, he's just as entitled as you are to yours.

Now, please demonstrate this "vile purpose" you mention. Are you really going to claim that you think our Government got our men and women sick? On purpose?

Once again raising the "hyperbole" bar to new and as yet unrecorded heights...a guy could get a nosebleed this high off the ground.
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Geezee Zappy. If I didn't know any better I'd think you're doing a little revenge posting for getting cheated by Damo.

Is hims widdle feewings hurted you dinnint get yours binkie?


Fer chrissakes, ya big fat cry baby!

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usaloyal2theend said:
Geezee Zappy. If I didn't know any better I'd think you're doing a little revenge posting for getting cheated by Damo.

Is hims widdle feewings hurted you dinnint get yours binkie?


Fer chrissakes, ya big fat cry baby!

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Wow...yet another post filled with pitiful ad homs...why am I not the least bit surprised.

Yawn...bored now.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Wow...yet another post filled with pitiful ad homs...why am I not the least bit surprised.

Yawn...bored now.
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You hate it when someone steals all your thunder, eh thunder thighs?

Hoping you'd have all day for your own personal ad homs, oh Cellulitic One?

Granted I might have to squeeze in the corner to get around your rolls, every once in a while be prepared for an air hole to let loose and allow the others to breathe oxygen. You can only suck all of it out of the room so long before you implode, after all.

Your retaliatory mood is soooooooo OBVIOUS!!!!!!

tee - hee - hee....!
 
The nihilist world government wants to kills us all.

They take over banking to reduce lending and starve people into compliance. They take over medicine to make people die.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
I'm curious...why are you allowed to have and express your opinion, but no one else is allowed?

If Onceler says it's ABSURD, then that's his opinion and notwithstanding all your sighing and condescending little aides, he's just as entitled as you are to yours.

Now, please demonstrate this "vile purpose" you mention. Are you really going to claim that you think our Government got our men and women sick? On purpose?

Once again raising the "hyperbole" bar to new and as yet unrecorded heights...a guy could get a nosebleed this high off the ground.
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Demonstrate the Tuskegee experiments? Do you know nothing of history?

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Wallow in ignorance if you wish, but the government has one of the worst possible records in the arena of health care. Believing wholeheartedly in the benevolence of government... bless your innocence, but please stop thrusting the consequences of it onto others.
 
NigelTufnel said:
I understand that problem of limited resources, but that's a problem we have today and a problem that, under the ACA, the government will have no more power to address than is currently has. There are no death panels in the law.

I take it you understand the connection to "death panel" bullshit now.



I'm not really into hashing this one out with you, suffice it to say that we disagree.
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Yes, we most definitely disagree.
 
NigelTufnel said:
I don't want to hear another word about "death panels."
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LMAO... so because insurance companies ration care you don't want to hear about the government rationing care? Is this one of your 'they do it, so its ok if my beloved government does the same' kind of "arguments"?
 
NigelTufnel said:
Then read the article linked below in its entirety. Basically, heath insurer WellPoint and its subsidiaries used an algorithm to identify women recently diagnosed with breast cancer (and a list of other maladies) and then "rescinded" their health insurance for bullshit reasons to avoid paying for cancer treatments. A snapshot:




Twisted fucks.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36711197
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So here we have government doing its appropriate job of investigating and regulating!!! Who do we have to watch out for us when the government does the same thing??? NO ONE!!!

This story proves my own personal story of how to deal with corporate misfeasance. That there are safeguards for the public and that these safegurds are the proper role of government.
 
Superfreak said:
LMAO... so because insurance companies ration care you don't want to hear about the government rationing care? Is this one of your 'they do it, so its ok if my beloved government does the same' kind of "arguments"?
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The government does not ration care now and will not ration care under the ACA, whereas the insurance industry does indeed ration care under the status quo. That's my point.

And frankly, I was under the impression that pretty much everyone would agree that the practices detailed in the article were, to put it plainly, fucked up. I suppose I was wrong.
 
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