If the universe is infinitely old, how did Today ever get here?

gmark77 said:
Just a friendly reminder that your musings are no more correct than the musings of countless others who, like me, hold differing views.
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You haven't provided any rational explanation of how you can traverse an infinite number of time units to reach the present.

So there really aren't two rational opposing points of view.

There is just one unresolved question which still hasn't been answered after 200 posts.
gmark77 said:
Also: it took me 2 minutes to find that. DIdn't you do any searching on the topic before posting?
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The basic concept of infinity is simple enough I don't have to Google about it.

A couple years ago heard a comment about infinite time made on a podcast. But I've never heard any rational explanation for how we can be here at the present after having passed though an infinite sequential series of time-events.
 
Cypress said:
It seems to me if the universe was infinitely old, there would always be at least one more day before today ever got here.
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Sidebar: A quick review of my math books demonstrates the only way an infinite series can equal a finite number is if the infinite series is convergent, or a recurring decimal expansion 1/2+1/4+1/16+1/32 = 1, or 0.999...= 1, or 0.333...= 1/3.

A divergent series, like sequential linear time, will never reach a finite limit, and it will go forever to infinity. 1+2+3+4+5+7...= infinity.
 
Cypress said:
You haven't provided any rational explanation of how you can traverse an infinite number of time units to reach the present.

So there really aren't two rational opposing points of view.

There is just one unresolved question which still hasn't been answered after 200 posts.

The basic concept of infinity is simple enough I don't have to Google about it.

A couple years ago heard a comment about infinite time made on a podcast. But I've never heard any rational explanation for how we can be here at the present after having passed though an infinite sequential series of time-events.
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Your concept of time is incoherent. There is no such thing as infinite time.
 
Hume said:
There is no such thing as infinite time.
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I agree that infinite time is irrational, but that's what's being claimed by some scientists, and even emminent physicists like Einstein and Fred Hoyle clung to the idea of an eternal universe. Others on this thread have even attempted to justify infinite time in our past.

On the other hand, any attempt to say at some point there was no time, and then suddenly there was time is not making any meaningful distinction between that kind of sophistry an an origin point for the cosmos.
 
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Cypress said:
Sidebar: A quick review of my math books demonstrates the only way an infinite series can equal a finite number is if the infinite series is convergent, or a recurring decimal expansion 1/2+1/4+1/16+1/32 = 1, or 0.999...= 1, or 0.333...= 1/3.

A divergent series, like sequential linear time, will never reach a finite limit, and it will go forever to infinity. 1+2+3+4+5+7...= infinity.
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Thankfully that wasn't my point about infinite series.
 
gmark77 said:
Thankfully that wasn't my point about infinite series.
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That post didn't have anything to do with you.

Since nobody has provided a rational explanation for an infinite amount of time in our past, I'm investigating for myself what the math textbooks say about infinity.

These convergent series and infinite recurring decimal expansions don't explain anything either, because they all begin at an absolute starting point.
 
gmark77 said:
I didn’t talk about convergent series. Not all infinite series converge.
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Right, so again my post had nothing to do with you.

The bottom line is that we have to either believe in 1) an infinite time behind us in the past, or 2) there was an origin event emerging from nothingness.

Both of them require a leap of faith, both are fundamentally irrational at the level of science and math, and both invoke an appeal to mystery and miracle.
 
Cypress said:
You haven't provided any rational explanation of how you can traverse an infinite number of time units to reach the present.

So there really aren't two rational opposing points of view.

There is just one unresolved question which still hasn't been answered after 200 posts.

The basic concept of infinity is simple enough I don't have to Google about it.

A couple years ago heard a comment about infinite time made on a podcast. But I've never heard any rational explanation for how we can be here at the present after having passed though an infinite sequential series of time-events.
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how are you calculating 'present'?
 
Cypress said:
210 posts, and no logical or rational explanation for infinite time in our past.
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I see it as the default supposition with any less-easy-to-imagine theory requiring the bulk of explanations.

There's something before everything so there couldn't have been a beginning.
That's the easy part to imagine.

Something with nothing before it, not even nothing itself,
is what seems impossible to the human mind.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Something with nothing before it, not even nothing itself,
is what seems impossible to the human mind.
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Virtual particles are popping into and out of existence all the time, so we know that something can come from nothing.

The trick is to get around violating the law of conservation of energy. That's a problem for the cosmos. Virtual particles don't violate conservation of energy because they only exist for infintesimally small fractions of a second.
 
Cypress said:

Universe May Have Had No Beginning​

If a new theory turns out to be true, the universe may not have started with a bang.

In the new formulation, the universe was never a singularity, or an infinitely small and infinitely dense point of matter. In fact, the universe may have no beginning at all.

"Our theory suggests that the age of the universe could be infinite," said study co-author Saurya Das, a theoretical physicist at the University of Lethbridge in Alberta, Canada.

Steady State Theory's View on the Universe's Origins and Age​

The Steady State Theory posits that the universe is eternal, with no beginning or end. This theory rejects the idea of a singular cosmic origination event, such as the Big Bang, and instead suggests that the universe is constantly evolving through the continuous creation of matter. The universe's age is not a fixed value, as it is considered to be infinitely old.


https://www.livescience.com/49958-theory-no-big-bang.html
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Why does the universe had to have come from a theory in intellectual time relativity comparing event horizons of each result limited to a perpetual balancing outcomes never duplicated twice with each detail never same again now organic chromosomes per reproduction native to one atmosphere in the universe so far adapting in space by the moment here?

Series parallel evolving between inception of ancestral lineages regardless plant or animal, predator or prey nature of each reproduction, asexual, male, female body type to never adding great great grandchildren again. live adapting to the moment up to 5 generation gaps overlapping daily here.

In actual time this planet rotates a standard 23 hours, 56 minutes and 4 seconds while intellectually humanity says there are 24 complete hours a day at the equator. 0 to 23 longitudes ) longitude is noon Greenwich prime meridian between dawn and dusk as international dateline is 180 degrees both set between noon to midnight and midnight to noon tomorrow dawn to dusk each rotation [power of suggesting 7 days a week changes life is limited to adapting since conceived.

Add to that the a revolution takes 365.2422 days a revolution not 365 for 3 years and 366 every 4th year.
 
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