If the Republican Party were a normal party...

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The Mother of All No-Brainers


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By DAVID BROOKS
Published: July 4, 2011

If the Republican Party were a normal party, it would take advantage of this amazing moment. It is being offered the deal of the century: trillions of dollars in spending cuts in exchange for a few hundred billion dollars of revenue increases.

A normal Republican Party would seize the opportunity to put a long-term limit on the growth of government. It would seize the opportunity to put the country on a sound fiscal footing. It would seize the opportunity to do these things without putting any real crimp in economic growth.

The party is not being asked to raise marginal tax rates in a way that might pervert incentives. On the contrary, Republicans are merely being asked to close loopholes and eliminate tax expenditures that are themselves distortionary.

This, as I say, is the mother of all no-brainers.

But we can have no confidence that the Republicans will seize this opportunity. That’s because the Republican Party may no longer be a normal party. Over the past few years, it has been infected by a faction that is more of a psychological protest than a practical, governing alternative.

The members of this movement do not accept the logic of compromise, no matter how sweet the terms. If you ask them to raise taxes by an inch in order to cut government by a foot, they will say no. If you ask them to raise taxes by an inch to cut government by a yard, they will still say no.

The members of this movement do not accept the legitimacy of scholars and intellectual authorities. A thousand impartial experts may tell them that a default on the debt would have calamitous effects, far worse than raising tax revenues a bit. But the members of this movement refuse to believe it.

The members of this movement have no sense of moral decency. A nation makes a sacred pledge to pay the money back when it borrows money. But the members of this movement talk blandly of default and are willing to stain their nation’s honor.

The members of this movement have no economic theory worthy of the name. Economists have identified many factors that contribute to economic growth, ranging from the productivity of the work force to the share of private savings that is available for private investment. Tax levels matter, but they are far from the only or even the most important factor.

But to members of this movement, tax levels are everything. Members of this tendency have taken a small piece of economic policy and turned it into a sacred fixation. They are willing to cut education and research to preserve tax expenditures. Manufacturing employment is cratering even as output rises, but members of this movement somehow believe such problems can be addressed so long as they continue to worship their idol.

Over the past week, Democrats have stopped making concessions. They are coming to the conclusion that if the Republicans are fanatics then they better be fanatics, too.

Mere parsimony is not economy. Expense, and great expense, may be an essential part in true economy.
Edmund Burke
 
Our default position is not to raise the debt limit at all. That would result in huge cuts in government spending. I do believe that we have a royal flush against your two pair. :)
 
You throw in the Balanced Budget Amendment and I'd go for it, I'd forgive my Congressman for voting for that. But to base it on the promise of future cuts in that way? No. I do not believe that this government will ever put itself onto a sound fiscal footing without a balanced budget amendment.

To have this President say that he doesn't need the constitution to tell him how to do his job? Utter and complete nonsense. When we continue to elect people like Bush and Obama who overspend in ways we cannot even comprehend we absolutely need our governing documents to reflect a responsibility they refuse to take on...

Give me the Balanced Budget Amendment, we'll close some loopholes. We'll temporarily raise the debt ceiling. Oh, yes. That is the coin you need to offer... If they didn't go for that they'd be stupid, if they go for the "promise" to spend less they'd be incapable of understanding history. That is one promise that never unfolds into reality.
 
Damo I predict that the GOP will once again fall for the "promise" of spending reduction. Its a perennial Lucy and the football.
 
You throw in the Balanced Budget Amendment and I'd go for it, I'd forgive my Congressman for voting for that. But to base it on the promise of future cuts in that way? No. I do not believe that this government will ever put itself onto a sound fiscal footing without a balanced budget amendment.

To have this President say that he doesn't need the constitution to tell him how to do his job? Utter and complete nonsense. When we continue to elect people like Bush and Obama who overspend in ways we cannot even comprehend we absolutely need our governing documents to reflect a responsibility they refuse to take on...

Give me the Balanced Budget Amendment, we'll close some loopholes. We'll temporarily raise the debt ceiling. Oh, yes. That is the coin you need to offer... If they didn't go for that they'd be stupid, if they go for the "promise" to spend less they'd be foolish.

Balanced Budget Amendment

The proposal put forward by the House Republican majority is radical in its design and I fear only dimly understood in its consequences.

The amendment would, for the first time, codify a partisan and ideological fiscal policy within the U.S. Constitution. If adopted by two-thirds of both houses of Congress and three-fourths of the state legislatures, this 2012 campaign pledge would stand awkwardly alongside the sacred rights enjoyed and defended by generations of Americans -- freedom of speech, freedom to worship, the right to bear arms and to be secure in our homes and property -- as out of place as the misguided amendment on prohibition.

The amendment would abolish majority rule on fiscal policy questions. Under the version reported from the House Judiciary Committee, it would require supermajorities -- two-thirds of both houses of Congress -- to raise revenues or to increase spending beyond 18 percent of GDP. It would empower an organized minority to dictate our nation's fiscal policies, something wholly at odds with the majority requirements adopted by the Constitution's Framers.

For all the frustrations today with a divided Congress trying to reach an agreement on a sensible fiscal policy, a balanced-budget amendment would make that pursuit infinitely more difficult, if not impossible.

It would hamstring government efforts to respond in times of economic distress, limiting the flexibility our nation needs to make long-term investments in physical and human infrastructure.

Sen. Byrd maintained that enshrining a balanced-budget amendment in the Constitution would constitute a false promise, ultimately undermining the people's trust in our founding charter. He called it "cotton candy for the public mind ... Tinkerbell on wings of gossamer."
 
Damo I predict that the GOP will once again fall for the "promise" of spending reduction. Its a perennial Lucy and the football.

I hope that you are wrong, but fear you will be right. That is one promise that never appears, Reagan fell for it, and now the current Democrats are trying to pretend that we should repeat his mistake. It's incredible.
 
Balanced Budget Amendment

The proposal put forward by the House Republican majority is radical in its design and I fear only dimly understood in its consequences.

The amendment would, for the first time, codify a partisan and ideological fiscal policy within the U.S. Constitution. If adopted by two-thirds of both houses of Congress and three-fourths of the state legislatures, this 2012 campaign pledge would stand awkwardly alongside the sacred rights enjoyed and defended by generations of Americans -- freedom of speech, freedom to worship, the right to bear arms and to be secure in our homes and property -- as out of place as the misguided amendment on prohibition.

The amendment would abolish majority rule on fiscal policy questions. Under the version reported from the House Judiciary Committee, it would require supermajorities -- two-thirds of both houses of Congress -- to raise revenues or to increase spending beyond 18 percent of GDP. It would empower an organized minority to dictate our nation's fiscal policies, something wholly at odds with the majority requirements adopted by the Constitution's Framers.

For all the frustrations today with a divided Congress trying to reach an agreement on a sensible fiscal policy, a balanced-budget amendment would make that pursuit infinitely more difficult, if not impossible.

It would hamstring government efforts to respond in times of economic distress, limiting the flexibility our nation needs to make long-term investments in physical and human infrastructure.

Sen. Byrd maintained that enshrining a balanced-budget amendment in the Constitution would constitute a false promise, ultimately undermining the people's trust in our founding charter. He called it "cotton candy for the public mind ... Tinkerbell on wings of gossamer."

So your argument is that fiscal responsibility is a partisan position? All I can say is that I am not surprised. The Amendment allows for spending over and beyond when it is necessary, and curtails it when it should not happen.

If you had say, $40,000 in credit card debt for a family making $30,000 per year, and all you did was "promise" to spend less do you think your credit rating would go up? Do you think that it would be responsible to get a new credit card? What if you had a plan, and a budget you were actually forced to stay within? Do you think your credit would go up?

This isn't some unreasonable requirement, it is time to force this government to stay within the bounds of fiscal sanity. The states with these Amendments are the ones in the best position now, without increasing inescapable debt that will never go down... The states without it, based on the apparent partisan position that we have to spend money even if we don't have it? Not so much. And many of those states with this type of amendment have governments headed by that same party you say has a platform position of fiscal stupidity.
 
I hope that you are wrong, but fear you will be right. That is one promise that never appears, Reagan fell for it, and now the current Democrats are trying to pretend that we should repeat his mistake. It's incredible.
I wish I will be wrong, but even Reagan often chose the least conservative option. And most Republicans in office are a) wimps and b) love to spend.

What's incredible with this current debate is the that most prudent option requires them to do nothing.
 
I wish I will be wrong, but even Reagan often chose the least conservative option. And most Republicans in office are a) wimps and b) love to spend.

What's incredible with this current debate is the that most prudent option requires them to do nothing.

Don't you mean fiddle while the country burns?
 
Don't you mean fiddle while the country burns?

Don't you mean clap while Obama fiddles? The only way to ensure the credit ratings stay high is to show a capability and desire to pay the debt, it is complete idiocy to continue to run up debt and demand more debt to pay the interest and continue to call it fiscal responsibility.
 
Holding the country hostage so Paris Hilton and the Kochs get a tax break is not only immoral but histroy has proven these tax breaks don't create jobs. Trying to balance the budget on the unemployed, children, the elderly and the poor is the same as barbarians at the gate.
 
Holding the country hostage so Paris Hilton and the Kochs get a tax break is not only immoral but histroy has proven these tax breaks don't create jobs. Trying to balance the budget on the unemployed, children, the elderly and the poor is the same as barbarians at the gate.

Increasing taxes into a recession is idiocy. Using debt to pay interest rates is idiocy. It is time to force the government into fiscal responsibility with the weight of a balanced budget amendment. It is stupid to continue to believe that increasing debt is fiscally responsible when battling a debt crisis that created a recession. We've spent too long foolishly pretending that there never will be a price to pay, it's time to pay.

Fiddle away, Obama. Sane people are passing bills, proposing compromises, and working to force the nation back into sanity in order to keep credit ratings for the US low and ensure that rates can continue. It's insanity to pretend that creating no plan for paying the debt will bring us a great credit rating.

We've spent enough of our grandchildren's money, it is morally and fiscally irresponsible to continue to push debt onto future generations and congratulate ourselves for fiscal responsibility.
 
Don't you mean clap while Obama fiddles? The only way to ensure the credit ratings stay high is to show a capability and desire to pay the debt, it is complete idiocy to continue to run up debt and demand more debt to pay the interest and continue to call it fiscal responsibility.
The only way to pay our debts is to put people back to work and rebuild our economy from the bottom up. You continue to hold on to the failed trickle down theory which means you are a stooge for multinational corporate interests which don't give a shit about America.
 
The only way to pay our debts is to put people back to work and rebuild our economy from the bottom up. You continue to hold on to the failed trickle down theory which means you are a stooge for multinational corporate interests which don't give a shit about America.

We gave this Administration trillions, two pushes at "qualitative easing" and a spendthrift "stimulus" package which failed, it is time to bring it about through effort rather than rhetoric and the idea that just "this" much more debt will ease our debt problems.

The stooge for the corporations is the man who pretends that devaluing our dollar is somehow "good" for the people he propounds to protect. The only people who can ease past that devaluation are the corporations you so abhor. You push off generational debt, borrow to pay interest and believe that nothing can happen to our credit rating when we show no urge to pay it back? You are absolutely clapping at the Obama recital while ignoring what is happening outside the concert hall.

Clap away, however entertained you are by the idea that we'll never have to pay that piper, sane people will continue to work behind the scenes to shine light on the fact that he isn't even playing that fiddle, it's all a tape playing in the background.
 
Holding the country hostage so Paris Hilton and the Kochs get a tax break is not only immoral but histroy has proven these tax breaks don't create jobs. Trying to balance the budget on the unemployed, children, the elderly and the poor is the same as barbarians at the gate.
I'm courious.......
10% of the taxpayers pay more than 73% of the income tax.....how much do you think they should pay ?

50% of wage earners pay 100% of the income tax.....how much is fair in your world ?
 
So your argument is that fiscal responsibility is a partisan position? All I can say is that I am not surprised. The Amendment allows for spending over and beyond when it is necessary, and curtails it when it should not happen.

If you had say, $40,000 in credit card debt for a family making $30,000 per year, and all you did was "promise" to spend less do you think your credit rating would go up? Do you think that it would be responsible to get a new credit card? What if you had a plan, and a budget you were actually forced to stay within? Do you think your credit would go up?

This isn't some unreasonable requirement, it is time to force this government to stay within the bounds of fiscal sanity. The states with these Amendments are the ones in the best position now, without increasing inescapable debt that will never go down... The states without it, based on the apparent partisan position that we have to spend money even if we don't have it? Not so much. And many of those states with this type of amendment have governments headed by that same party you say has a platform position of fiscal stupidity.

Damo, I don't question your intentions, but I do question your wisdom. It took us 30 years to accumulate our debt, it will take at least 30 years to reverse that. Sudden will be DEADLY, for our economy, recovery and most importantly our PEOPLE, especially the most vulnerable. The Republican proposal is not based on fiscal conservatism, it is social engineered.

The arguments from you and every other conservative requires liberals and Democrats to fit YOUR definitions. We need BOTH parties to work toward SANE debt reduction that doesn't cause massive harm. We still have to INVEST in the future.

Letter to the full House Opposing the Cap, Cut, and Balance Act

July 18, 2011
Dear Representative:


On behalf of the 3.2 million members of the National Education Association, we strongly urge you to VOTE NO on the Cut, Cap, and Balance Act (H.R. 2560), scheduled for floor consideration in the House this week. While we understand the need to get our nation's fiscal house in order, this bill is not the right mechanism to achieve that goal. The effect of this proposal would be devastating for public education and retirement security, undermining economic recovery and jeopardizing our future strength as a nation. Votes associated with this issue may be included in the NEA Legislative Report Card for the 112th Congress.

The Cut, Cap, and Balance Act would write spending caps into law at the levels contained in the House-passed Ryan budget. It also would hold hostage the debt limit increase unless two-thirds of the House and the Senate agree to a constitutional balanced budget amendment. The required constitutional amendment would make all revenue-raising measures unconstitutional unless they secure a two-thirds supermajority in both chambers. In addition, the required amendment would cap total federal expenditures at 18 percent of GDP.

Overall, this plan, like other proposed spending caps and balanced budget amendments, would result in the largest cuts in federal spending in modern history. It will not be possible to achieve the spending levels required under any balanced budget amendment or spending cap proposal without massive cuts in education, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and other programs that meet crucial national needs. In fact, the bill would require an immediate, deep $47 billion aggregate cut to non-security discretionary spending, including an 11.7 percent cut to Labor-HHS-Education discretionary programs.

Educators understand that Congress must work to ensure America’s long-term economic prosperity and that we must address the nation’s serious fiscal challenges. However, cutting education funding and slashing programs that serve children, the elderly, and working families is not the answer. And, while we understand the need to address the nation’s deficit, we also know that some debt is necessary to meet critical needs. Most families have mortgages and car loans, and take on other debt to provide for their children’s futures. In addition, while many states must balance their operating budgets, they take on debt for capital costs and job-creating projects such as building roads, bridges, and schools.

NEA members see first-hand every day the struggles of many of their students and their families. The Cap, Cut, and Balance Act will make their struggles even harder - essentially abandoning them while continuing to cater to Wall Street and the wealthiest in our nation. In fact, unlike every law of the past quarter-century that has contained a fiscal target or standard enforced by across-the-board cuts, this proposal does not exempt the core basic assistance programs for the poorest Americans from such across-the-board cuts. It does so even as it seeks to erect a constitutional firewall to safeguard tax cuts and tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans. Thus, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, an impoverished elderly widow living on Supplemental Security Income — which provides benefits that lift people to just 75 percent of the poverty line — could have her assistance cut back under the measure’s across-the-board budget cuts even as millionaire hedge-fund managers retained their lucrative carried-interest tax breaks.

However well-intentioned the notion of capping discretionary spending may be, this type of fiscal proposal is akin to the Taxpayer Bill of Rights (TABOR) ballot measures which have been repeatedly defeated in states across this country. And, where enacted, TABOR has held policymakers hostage to simplistic formulas perpetrated by their predecessors. In Colorado, TABOR resulted in a drop in per pupil K-12 education funding from $200 less than the national average in 1992 to $1000 less than the national average in 2006.

This bill would constitute exceedingly unwise economic policy. It would risk tipping a faltering economy into recession and slowing economic recovery. It would determine spending levels for decades and tie future Congress’ hands. And, it would render impossible the sorts of investments necessary to continue economic recovery and grow the skilled workforce necessary for future economic strength.

The Cap, Cut, and Balance Act would decimate public education and other programs that ensure a competitive workforce and future economic vitality. We urge you to oppose this and any similar proposals.

Sincerely,

Kim Anderson
Director of Government Relations

Mary Kusler
Manager of Federal Advocacy
 
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